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Originally posted by KHufford

This killer should die by firing squad. This could be a sign of greater problems, terrorist here locally, gaining entry to our Military, to me that sounds like a wonderful terrorist plot in the eyes of Jihadists and Osama Bin Laden followers....I bet that is their next tactical strategy, to completely ruin our armed services.

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Originally posted by KHufford

This killer should die by firing squad. This could be a sign of greater problems, terrorist here locally, gaining entry to our Military, to me that sounds like a wonderful terrorist plot in the eyes of Jihadists and Osama Bin Laden followers....I bet that is their next tactical strategy, to completely ruin our armed services.

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Originally posted by darkstar

They may let TX handle it, if so, they seem to have an express lane to the needle installed there recently...

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Good point ... plus they have a govenor who would not hesitate to sign the execution order.

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Originally posted by darkstar

They may let TX handle it, if so, they seem to have an express lane to the needle installed there recently, guilty or not...

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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speculation is rife in the US media about whether Army Major Malik Nadal Hasanâ's massacre of 13 servicemen at America's biggest army base, Fort Hood in Texas Thursday, Nov. 5 was motivated by terrorist ideology.

US officials are tightlipped on the question, saying only the investigation will establish the facts. Witnesses among the two score injured reported that while firing two handguns, he shouted Alahu Akbar! before he was felled himself by four bullets. That morning, he went shopping in Muslim dress.

On a form filled out by Muslims seeking spouses through the mosque, Hasan listed his nationality as Palestinian although he was born in Virginia.

According to neighbors, Hasan handed round Qurans and his furniture that morning and had taken to wearing "Arab clothing" in recent weeks.

http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/06/soldier-gunman-was-palestinian/

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.

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Originally posted by LoanPro71

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Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.

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The military brass who KNEW about this guy and failed to address the situation should be stripped of their commission and dishonorably discharged immediately.

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.

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The military brass who KNEW about this guy and failed to address the situation should be stripped of their commission and dishonorably discharged immediately.

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You also can't dismiss the attitude from the Commander in Chief. We no longer use the word "terrorist," especially, "Islamic terrorist." The FBI was aware of his political postings on blogs, but it sounds like the climate and so-called political correctness prevented them from taking action. After all, we just recently had a police officer in the Boston area publicly reprimanded (for doing his job) by the president, who could guess what he would say if the FBI questioned him for his Islamic words of protest.

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.

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The military brass who KNEW about this guy and failed to address the situation should be stripped of their commission and dishonorably discharged immediately.

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Originally posted by benjamin

I we are checking on people in power based upon their names, there is one person in an extremely powerful position that has a very suspicious, Muslim sounding name. He just so happens to be the POTUS.

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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

A great article from a former Muslim whom was a terrorist right under Al Qu'eda's second in command. He has incite to what happened at Fort Hood. A good read!

By Tawfik Hamid, Former Muslim Radical

http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/07/fort-hood-disaster-islam-to-blame/

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Originally posted by darkstar

>>> At what point in this man's career did he turn

I think it' pretty clear and is something the military needs to address...

This guy has been in 20yrs, way before terrorism and the problems with muslim radicals...Now that it's the military focus, he tried to get out, even retained a lawyer stating his views now conflict with the mission, they didn't let him or continued to fight him on it...He felt pushed in an emotional corner and went off...None of that justifies anything but it does mean the military has to take a look at those like him and see if they want out, if so, let them...Sad, tragic and was probably avoidable(easy to say in hindsight of course)...

His recent poor performance was the first flags, he wanted out...They figured he just needed a change of scenery...

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Originally posted by khoiey

This would be his defense but what screwed up his defense is "Allahu Akbar!"

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Originally posted by darkstar

>>> At what point in this man's career did he turn

I think it' pretty clear and is something the military needs to address...

This guy has been in 20yrs, way before terrorism and the problems with muslim radicals...Now that it's the military focus, he tried to get out, even retained a lawyer stating his views now conflict with the mission, they didn't let him or continued to fight him on it...He felt pushed in an emotional corner and went off...None of that justifies anything but it does mean the military has to take a look at those like him and see if they want out, if so, let them...Sad, tragic and was probably avoidable(easy to say in hindsight of course)...

His recent poor performance was the first flags, he wanted out...They figured he just needed a change of scenery...

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.

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The military brass who KNEW about this guy and failed to address the situation should be stripped of their commission and dishonorably discharged immediately.

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Agree, but the weak PC crowd has everyone playing it so close to the chest they can't act until AFTER someone does something, before that, it's deemed prejudiced persecution...

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Originally posted by GetLoans4me

Malik vs timothy mc veigh

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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

e also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html

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Originally posted by khoiey

This is reminding us that we are still at war.

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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the gunman who killed 13 at America's Fort Hood military base, once gave a lecture to other doctors in which he said non-believers should be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.

e also told colleagues at America's top military hospital that non-Muslims were infidels condemned to hell who should be set on fire. The outburst came during an hour-long talk Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, gave on the Koran in front of dozens of other doctors at Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington DC

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html

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Originally posted by khoiey

This is reminding us that we are still at war.

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Originally posted by assassin17

It's just a testament to the bravery of our civilian police force that they can take out a madman before a bunch of our soldiers who are scattering.

I'm not confident at all about the army not being prepared for something just like this, while a female cop is popping a cap in the guy's ass. Maybe COPS should be a required training video. It really shows you what a good job a police force does on a daily basis, without claiming 'stress'. Makes you wonder who the real 'tough guys' are.

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Originally posted by djorge44

Barack Hussein Obama has advised us not to rush to judgment about the massacre at Fort Hood. “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” said the President in a statement he delivered from the Rose Garden (while George W. Bush was in Fort Hood).

see-no-evil

Obama doesn’t want us to jump to the conclusion that the shootings at Fort Hood were a terrorist attack by an Islamic jihadist, Major Nidal Hasan. Obama would rather we forgot that Nidal Hasan screamed “Allah akbar” before he mowed down scores of patriotic Americans and gave away Qurans with his business card before his act of jihad. Hasan also gave his landlord two week’s notice – showing that he planned this for a long time. He didn’t just snap.

Obama wants us to ignore that Hasan went to a mosque where a jihadist imam preached hatred of America. The same imam was “spiritual adviser” for three of the 9/11 hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001. Obama would rather we didn’t know that when Hasan was asked his nationality, he didn’t identify himself as an American, but as a Palestinian. Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment about how Hasan spoke approvingly of the shooting death by an Islamic jihad terrorist of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June. Obama doesn’t us to draw any conclusions from how Hasan reportedly was heard saying, “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square.”

But Obama says, don’t rush to judgment.

The President was not so circumspect when he spoke out about Professor Henry Louis Gates’ arrest by Cambridge, Massachusetts police Sgt. James Crowley. Obama incited hatred on national television, rushing to judgment against a white cop who was just doing his job. Obama tried to incite racial division and wrongly criticized the police during a news conference: “But I think it’s fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 … that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.” The incident, Obama said, showed “how race remains a factor in this society.”

A few days later, after an avalanche of criticism, Obama backtracked: “In my choice of words,” he said, “I unfortunately, I think, gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Crowley specifically.” But he did not apologize for his rush to judgment.

Apparently jumping to conclusions is wrong only when it leads to the conclusion that there has been another Islamic terror attack on American soil.

But to come to that conclusion really doesn’t involve any “rush to judgment” at all. What we know about Nidal Hasan makes that abundantly clear. He wrote “Allah” on his door, according to a neighbor, in Arabic. “Allah” on the door. During his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences, he was reprimanded for preaching Islam to his patients and other doctors. He drew attention from law enforcement officials with Internet postings under his name that praised suicide bombing, saying that their intention was to “save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers,” and that “if one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory.”

This was not the act of a crazy person. This was not the random act of a nutcase. Hasan committed murder execution style, at close range. He shot 44 to 50 rounds – that’s a lot of ammunition to come out of those two guns in such a short period of time. This was premeditated.

But Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment. Maybe that’s because Nidal Hasan was an adviser to the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force. The task force was not an official White House entity, but it did make policy recommendations.

And why not? Everyone was too scared to be called a bigot for saying Nidal Hasan was dangerous. Or they just assumed he was a “moderate.”

Like Obama, they rushed to judgment.

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Fool, this was going on for a long time ... long before Obama became POTUS. Maybe the brass was just too scared to push any issue up the line to be shot down by the arrogan pair in the WH prior to Obama. I bet you would prefer the ready-fire-aim approach that we had before.

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Originally posted by djorge44

Barack Hussein Obama has advised us not to rush to judgment about the massacre at Fort Hood. “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” said the President in a statement he delivered from the Rose Garden (while George W. Bush was in Fort Hood).

see-no-evil

Obama doesn’t want us to jump to the conclusion that the shootings at Fort Hood were a terrorist attack by an Islamic jihadist, Major Nidal Hasan. Obama would rather we forgot that Nidal Hasan screamed “Allah akbar” before he mowed down scores of patriotic Americans and gave away Qurans with his business card before his act of jihad. Hasan also gave his landlord two week’s notice – showing that he planned this for a long time. He didn’t just snap.

Obama wants us to ignore that Hasan went to a mosque where a jihadist imam preached hatred of America. The same imam was “spiritual adviser” for three of the 9/11 hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001. Obama would rather we didn’t know that when Hasan was asked his nationality, he didn’t identify himself as an American, but as a Palestinian. Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment about how Hasan spoke approvingly of the shooting death by an Islamic jihad terrorist of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June. Obama doesn’t us to draw any conclusions from how Hasan reportedly was heard saying, “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square.”

But Obama says, don’t rush to judgment.

The President was not so circumspect when he spoke out about Professor Henry Louis Gates’ arrest by Cambridge, Massachusetts police Sgt. James Crowley. Obama incited hatred on national television, rushing to judgment against a white cop who was just doing his job. Obama tried to incite racial division and wrongly criticized the police during a news conference: “But I think it’s fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 … that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.” The incident, Obama said, showed “how race remains a factor in this society.”

A few days later, after an avalanche of criticism, Obama backtracked: “In my choice of words,” he said, “I unfortunately, I think, gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Crowley specifically.” But he did not apologize for his rush to judgment.

Apparently jumping to conclusions is wrong only when it leads to the conclusion that there has been another Islamic terror attack on American soil.

But to come to that conclusion really doesn’t involve any “rush to judgment” at all. What we know about Nidal Hasan makes that abundantly clear. He wrote “Allah” on his door, according to a neighbor, in Arabic. “Allah” on the door. During his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences, he was reprimanded for preaching Islam to his patients and other doctors. He drew attention from law enforcement officials with Internet postings under his name that praised suicide bombing, saying that their intention was to “save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers,” and that “if one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory.”

This was not the act of a crazy person. This was not the random act of a nutcase. Hasan committed murder execution style, at close range. He shot 44 to 50 rounds – that’s a lot of ammunition to come out of those two guns in such a short period of time. This was premeditated.

But Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment. Maybe that’s because Nidal Hasan was an adviser to the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force. The task force was not an official White House entity, but it did make policy recommendations.

And why not? Everyone was too scared to be called a bigot for saying Nidal Hasan was dangerous. Or they just assumed he was a “moderate.”

Like Obama, they rushed to judgment.

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Fool, this was going on for a long time ... long before Obama became POTUS. Maybe the brass was just too scared to push any issue up the line to be shot down by the arrogan pair in the WH prior to Obama. I bet you would prefer the ready-fire-aim approach that we had before.

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Originally posted by djorge44

Barack Hussein Obama has advised us not to rush to judgment about the massacre at Fort Hood. “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” said the President in a statement he delivered from the Rose Garden (while George W. Bush was in Fort Hood).

see-no-evil

Obama doesn’t want us to jump to the conclusion that the shootings at Fort Hood were a terrorist attack by an Islamic jihadist, Major Nidal Hasan. Obama would rather we forgot that Nidal Hasan screamed “Allah akbar” before he mowed down scores of patriotic Americans and gave away Qurans with his business card before his act of jihad. Hasan also gave his landlord two week’s notice – showing that he planned this for a long time. He didn’t just snap.

Obama wants us to ignore that Hasan went to a mosque where a jihadist imam preached hatred of America. The same imam was “spiritual adviser” for three of the 9/11 hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001. Obama would rather we didn’t know that when Hasan was asked his nationality, he didn’t identify himself as an American, but as a Palestinian. Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment about how Hasan spoke approvingly of the shooting death by an Islamic jihad terrorist of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June. Obama doesn’t us to draw any conclusions from how Hasan reportedly was heard saying, “maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square.”

But Obama says, don’t rush to judgment.

The President was not so circumspect when he spoke out about Professor Henry Louis Gates’ arrest by Cambridge, Massachusetts police Sgt. James Crowley. Obama incited hatred on national television, rushing to judgment against a white cop who was just doing his job. Obama tried to incite racial division and wrongly criticized the police during a news conference: “But I think it’s fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 … that there’s a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately.” The incident, Obama said, showed “how race remains a factor in this society.”

A few days later, after an avalanche of criticism, Obama backtracked: “In my choice of words,” he said, “I unfortunately, I think, gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge Police Department or Crowley specifically.” But he did not apologize for his rush to judgment.

Apparently jumping to conclusions is wrong only when it leads to the conclusion that there has been another Islamic terror attack on American soil.

But to come to that conclusion really doesn’t involve any “rush to judgment” at all. What we know about Nidal Hasan makes that abundantly clear. He wrote “Allah” on his door, according to a neighbor, in Arabic. “Allah” on the door. During his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences, he was reprimanded for preaching Islam to his patients and other doctors. He drew attention from law enforcement officials with Internet postings under his name that praised suicide bombing, saying that their intention was to “save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers,” and that “if one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory.”

This was not the act of a crazy person. This was not the random act of a nutcase. Hasan committed murder execution style, at close range. He shot 44 to 50 rounds – that’s a lot of ammunition to come out of those two guns in such a short period of time. This was premeditated.

But Obama doesn’t want us to rush to judgment. Maybe that’s because Nidal Hasan was an adviser to the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force. The task force was not an official White House entity, but it did make policy recommendations.

And why not? Everyone was too scared to be called a bigot for saying Nidal Hasan was dangerous. Or they just assumed he was a “moderate.”

Like Obama, they rushed to judgment.

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This is going to prove the largest Islamic attack on US soil since 9/11. Say what you may about the prior administration (in fact, I would probably agree with it), but I never feared my safety. Obama's opponents in the election, including Biden and Clinton, cited protection from terror attacks was a certain weakness of this president. It's coming out now that Hasan was in communication with a former Muslim leader at a nearby (to me) mosque, a man now praising him for his killings on his blog. And, it's now being reported that when his orders were issued to go to Afghanistan, Hassan attempted contact with Al Qada and the FBI was aware of this. Of course Obama doesn't want anyone to rush to judgment, it's happened on his watch. Maybe he should apologize some more? Or, excuse this Army officer with mental illness?

And our troops are STILL hanging in Afghanistan while he continues to dither. Get them out or give them support.

And, the military is to prosecute this act - does that mean it's a closed trial? I'm not being sarcastic, I am asking because I don't know. If the above allegations prove true, then he should be treated as a terrorist. No different than the men that caused 9/11. And, whoever ignored reports of Hasan's hatred of America, those heads should roll.

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Originally posted by benjamin

Why do you label him a "Terrorist"?

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Originally posted by darkstar

>>>I thought that Homeland Security was created to ensure that connections and reliable interpretation of data are made in circumstances like this one. I fell less safe the more I hear.

Another good intentioned bureaucracy failing, but they'll get Health Care right!...I just don't see the evidence you do making you think the govt can do anything as planned...I have to look at track record and theirs sukcs...

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Originally posted by darkstar

>>>I thought that Homeland Security was created to ensure that connections and reliable interpretation of data are made in circumstances like this one. I fell less safe the more I hear.

Another good intentioned bureaucracy failing, but they'll get Health Care right!...I just don't see the evidence you do making you think the govt can do anything as planned...I have to look at track record and theirs sukcs...

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Originally posted by benjamin

Serious. He was a long term soldier, went ape shiit. Do you think he was a "sleeper"?

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