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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
 Posted - 11/03/2009 : 4:53:05 PM
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It's early yet but with 26% of all precincts reporting
McDonnell(R) is leading Deeds(D) 64% to 36%
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rudeness
5407 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 4:55:49 PM
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| As they say in Virginia... Now that's an ass whoopin! At least it sounds like something they would say in Virginia anyways. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 4:56:33 PM
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| Let the downplaying begin! LOL |
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 4:59:46 PM
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31% now reporting McDonnell still leads 63% - 37%
Fox News is calling it for MCDonnell
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LoanPro71
4313 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:01:22 PM
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The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:02:21 PM
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The R AG and LG candidates are ahead by similar margins.
Only once in the history of VA has the R party swept all 3.
Looks like a bloodbath in VA
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Gabriels
343 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:02:24 PM
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Originally posted by darkstar
Let the downplaying begin! LOL
Say what you want, but I hope the D's get their asses kicked everywhere. I also hope it's by huge margins so O can see a preview of the future. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:06:10 PM
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
If there's no good choice, the incumbent has to go for proving they do nothing as a statement to the state of affairs, it's all you can do, when no good choices...I hope nobody's expecting "change" from any of this... |
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Mandyvilla
6400 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:06:19 PM
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| I've been trying to discribe the sentiment in the land of Dixie.....and no one is happy with the current administration. Maryland is right there, too. I'm trying to find the State Delegate results, word is it's also a sweep, but I haven't seen the numbers. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7371 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:07:07 PM
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Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:08:56 PM
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Obama carried VA by 6 points... If McDonnell's margin
holds that's a huge swing...
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Mandyvilla
6400 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:15:04 PM
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Here is a Washington Post article that sums up the attitude:
Chesterbrook Precinct: Republicans say today is a referendum on Obama
When Republican supporters of candidate Robert McDonnell are asked why they voted, a surprising number here refer to "he" or "him." The folks at the Chesterbrook polling place in McLean are not talking about McDonnell or his Democratic rival, Creigh Deeds, but President Barack Obama.
McDonnell voter Christina Hoag, a 58-year-old who owns a catering business with about 25 employees, said that she hopes a Republican victory would slow the growth of government and send the message to Democrats that they don't have the mandate in Washington they think they do to remake the economy.
"There's anger right now within ourselves, and I think most of that comes from uncertainty and fear," she said. "As a nation, we've lost our optimism."
Michael Barron, 60, said he's a Republican who has been willing to vote for Democrats occasionally over the years. Not this year.
"It's not local politics that's driving this," he said. "I'm concerned with the Democrats in Congress and, mostly, I'm concerned with sending them a message."
Hoag said she's not as hard-core as others she knows. She voted for Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) last year, but she said she would have picked Hillary Clinton over McCain if she'd defeated Obama in the primaries. She supports good health-care coverage and nature preservation, but also wants to close the borders.
"Small businesses can't absorb what the government thinks we can absorb, especially in today's economy," she said. "I didn't trust Obama, but I didn't think he'd be this bad."
Del. Margaret Vanderhye (D), an incumbent facing a tough re-election battle against Republican challenger Barbara Comstock, said during her visit to the precinct that it's tough to get some voters to pay attention to local issues.
"People tend not to think about state government," she said. "The importance of local issues is a job of the delegate" to emphasize
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2009/11/chesterbrook_precinct_republic.html |
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VVance
6600 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:22:27 PM
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| I wonder if this will send any kind of message to Democrats who are considering voting for Health Care? |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:25:47 PM
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| So what is the surprise here. The Republican won and he was expected to win big. We'll see if he does any better for Virginia than the current governor. I hope he does. |
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:31:50 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
So what is the surprise here. The Republican won and he was expected to win big. We'll see if he does any better for Virginia than the current governor. I hope he does.
Who said it was a surprise? What is a surprise is the fact that
the R's are sweeping all the top elective posts. That hasn't happened
more than once in the history of the commonwealth. Maybe it means something,
maybe it doesn't. My guess is it does... I'm sure you disagree.
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khoiey
2972 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:34:32 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
So what is the surprise here. The Republican won and he was expected to win big. We'll see if he does any better for Virginia than the current governor. I hope he does.
Government is re balancing itself. One party can't have 100% of power. Maybe Dems voters are sitting home while Rep voters are out. It's part of history. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:35:40 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
Obama carried VA by 6 points... If McDonnell's margin
holds that's a huge swing...
Tsnyder
The WH will downplay it verbally but watch the change as Nancy just lost more votes[and will with each "D" loss] for her HC crap...
They didn't listen during the townhalls...I bet the D's that want to stay in D.C. start moving away from the 'Don'... |
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Mandyvilla
6400 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:46:20 PM
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Oh, it's certainly no surprise. And it won't be a surprise in 2010. But the WH wants NJ bad....no president has campaigned for a governor at 5 fund raising events for a candidate one week prior to the election.
And Darkstar is correct....the sweep will be down-played, when the WH should be saying, "okay, we hear you." But, we know that won't happen, instead they'll figure out a way to spy on those that oppose their ways or they will call us domestic terrorists, or angry mobs. So, the crowds at the Bachmann press conference and then walking the Capital Building will just have to get the point across. There are daycares offering FREE OVERTIME DAYCARE if a parent goes to DC to the press conference. Employers are offering liberal leave. This is just since October 30th that this has hit the airwaves, less than one week ago. |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:49:03 PM
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Exactly. I expect Corzine to lose too because the encumbent Gov in NY loses in mid-term elections. If he wins, that will be a surprise to me. Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
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Originally posted by khoiey
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
So what is the surprise here. The Republican won and he was expected to win big. We'll see if he does any better for Virginia than the current governor. I hope he does.
Government is re balancing itself. One party can't have 100% of power. Maybe Dems voters are sitting home while Rep voters are out. It's part of history.
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:53:14 PM
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A swing in a 1/4 of the electorate is nothing to take lightly, you may, but I would bet those that live election to election care a lot!...
Before the WH knew they lot VA, they put a lot of money and energy into it...Downplaying reality only works on the stupid... |
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:54:35 PM
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Seems like it would be a surprise to Obama who spent considerable
time and resources campaigning on behalf of Corzine.... in NJ... not NY.
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Exactly. I expect Corzine to lose too because the encumbent Gov in NY loses in mid-term elections. If he wins, that will be a surprise to me. Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
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Originally posted by khoiey
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
So what is the surprise here. The Republican won and he was expected to win big. We'll see if he does any better for Virginia than the current governor. I hope he does.
Government is re balancing itself. One party can't have 100% of power. Maybe Dems voters are sitting home while Rep voters are out. It's part of history.
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LoanPro71
4313 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:55:14 PM
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
A circle, indeed.
Sadly, most of us still think it matters who wins in the Two Party Dog and Pony Show.
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Tsnyder
10578 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 5:59:31 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
A circle, indeed.
Sadly, most of us still think it matters who wins in the Two Party Dog and Pony Show.
It may matter unless you're looking forward to having a 2000 page
health care tax bill shoved down your throat in the near term.
Harry Reid is already backing down... now says it may have to wait
until next year.
Until you can think of a better way for the peoples' collective
voice to be heard we'll have to settle for elections... even if we
don't really like the choices.
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VVance
6600 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 6:03:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
A circle, indeed.
Sadly, most of us still think it matters who wins in the Two Party Dog and Pony Show.
Sure that's true, but I admit to being encouraged that incumbents and White House backed candidates are going down. That's based upon my dislike of this Administrations handling of all things economic and hoping they get the message and change course.
Hey, I can dream..... |
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Jonas
1217 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 7:04:29 PM
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Its possible this says less about Obama and more about McCain. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Tsnyder
Obama carried VA by 6 points... If McDonnell's margin
holds that's a huge swing...
Tsnyder
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paulsof1
274 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 7:11:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonas
Its possible this says less about Obama and more about McCain. Just a thought.
quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
Obama carried VA by 6 points... If McDonnell's margin
holds that's a huge swing...
Tsnyder
It's really about conservatism, not rep. or dem. |
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khoiey
2972 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 9:21:56 PM
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| Above, "Dogs and Ponies show" is an accurate statement. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7371 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 9:34:41 PM
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| http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/03/gop-sweep-big-governor-victories-in-virginia-nj/ |
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 9:37:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Exactly. I expect Corzine to lose too because the encumbent Gov in NY loses in mid-term elections. If he wins, that will be a surprise to me. Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
Perhaps not, but it's definitely a surprise and kick in the teeth to an administration that has a messiah complex, who thinks their feet don't stink and that they would be allowed to waltz through the next few years to destroy the fabric of this country and turn it into something it was never meant to be.
Believe me, when your ego is the size of the Atlantic Ocean (such as Obama's), when you believe your own hype -- this is a tremendous shock. Just a year ago, this state went for the False Democrat, did it not?
The spin doctors will not fool anyone now. AMERICA IS PISSED! |
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LoanPro71
4313 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 9:51:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
A circle, indeed.
Sadly, most of us still think it matters who wins in the Two Party Dog and Pony Show.
It may matter unless you're looking forward to having a 2000 page
health care tax bill shoved down your throat in the near term.
Harry Reid is already backing down... now says it may have to wait
until next year.
Until you can think of a better way for the peoples' collective
voice to be heard we'll have to settle for elections... even if we
don't really like the choices.
Tnyder
I hate to say it, but we're gonna have a 3000 page health care bill before it's over.
The only reason the health care bill hasn't passed already is because the Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries don't like the bill ... yet.
Whatever passes, you can't bet your azz that The People will be the ones who suffer.
That's the way it works now.
We make fun of the French all the time, but at least they stand up for themselves. When the French Middle Class is threatened, they pour into the streets by the millions and raise pure hell.
In France, the government fears The People.
In America, The People fear the government.
I don't expect anything to change for the better until the American People get SERIOUS about the concept "... of the People, by the People, FOR the People"
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Jonas
1217 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2009 : 11:55:40 PM
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Or the fact that McCain wasn't a conservative at all.
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Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by Jonas
Its possible this says less about Obama and more about McCain. Just a thought.
quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
Obama carried VA by 6 points... If McDonnell's margin
holds that's a huge swing...
Tsnyder
It's really about conservatism, not rep. or dem.
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Gabriels
343 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 02:53:25 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Its a circle, is it not? Bad guy in bad guy out, we'll call them Democrat and Republican so people think there is a difference.
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
The GOP is gaining power!
They'll fix everything, just like they did last time.
Great news !!!
A circle, indeed.
Sadly, most of us still think it matters who wins in the Two Party Dog and Pony Show.
It may matter unless you're looking forward to having a 2000 page
health care tax bill shoved down your throat in the near term.
Harry Reid is already backing down... now says it may have to wait
until next year.
Until you can think of a better way for the peoples' collective
voice to be heard we'll have to settle for elections... even if we
don't really like the choices.
Tnyder
I hate to say it, but we're gonna have a 3000 page health care bill before it's over.
The only reason the health care bill hasn't passed already is because the Insurance and Pharmaceutical industries don't like the bill ... yet.
Whatever passes, you can't bet your azz that The People will be the ones who suffer.
That's the way it works now.
We make fun of the French all the time, but at least they stand up for themselves. When the French Middle Class is threatened, they pour into the streets by the millions and raise pure hell.
In France, the government fears The People.
In America, The People fear the government.
I don't expect anything to change for the better until the American People get SERIOUS about the concept "... of the People, by the People, FOR the People"
NEWSFLASH.......Ron Paul will NEVER be POTUS! And as you wait for that moment that will never come, our country is being torn to shreds. As it stands now we have to work with what is out there, and try to elect the most conservative candidates on the ballot. Generally speaking that would be a Republican. If we dont slow Obama down as fast as possible there will be nothing left with which to build on.
Dont get me wrong LP, I believe that RP has some great ideas, but its not ever going to happen for him. Just a short time ago the pundits were saying that conservatism was dead. I dont think it is, and think that it will make a huge comeback here shortly. Hopefully, someone like Ronald Reagan will come forward and put us back on the RIGHT track. Just.02 from an old Reagan conservative. |
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 02:55:37 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
I don't expect anything to change for the better until the American People get SERIOUS about the concept "... of the People, by the People, FOR the People"
Well, that was just Abraham Lincoln running his mouth off again. You know how them damn Republicans are!
LP... Head of Nail, meet Hammer... This is going to end up with millions in the streets of DC someday. We can only hope we haven't gotten too lazy for that.
National Health Care would have been so easy to achieve... this Moby Dick-sized mammoth of lawyer-speak is exactly what the doctor did not order.
So, how's it feel watching the United States of America disintegrate without a shot being fired? I'm at the point where I'm just laughing at it all. We're being led by Barack and Nancy Flintstone, with Barney Frank 'Rubble' and 'Joe Rockhead' Biden asking us to wipe Mr. Slate clean (if you get my drift... it's pretty bad downwind), all brought to you in prime-time living color (well, as long as the color is red) by Sickle and Hammer. |
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Gabriels
343 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 03:01:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
I don't expect anything to change for the better until the American People get SERIOUS about the concept "... of the People, by the People, FOR the People"
Well, that was just Abraham Lincoln running his mouth off again. You know how them damn Republicans are!
LP... Head of Nail, meet Hammer... This is going to end up with millions in the streets of DC someday. We can only hope we haven't gotten too lazy for that.
National Health Care would have been so easy to achieve... this Moby Dick-sized mammoth of lawyer-speak is exactly what the doctor did not order.
So, how's it feel watching the United States of America disintegrate without a shot being fired? I'm at the point where I'm just laughing at it all. We're being led by Barack and Nancy Flintstone, with Barney Frank 'Rubble' and 'Joe Rockhead' Biden asking us to wipe Mr. Slate clean (if you get my drift... it's pretty bad downwind), all brought to you in prime-time living color (well, as long as the color is red) by Sickle and Hammer.
You have to laugh, to keep from crying! |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 04:56:10 AM
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>>>Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
Xactly, the people always realize the last guy lied to them and they let them know it...If Obama would have done 1 thing he said, maybe they could have held onto them(Bush failed at this too)...The reason it's no surprise because you know whether R or D, they lie and suck at what they do and need constant replacing...The surprise is suppose to be holding them but since both sides lie, neither can...There is no difference between them... |
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LoanPro71
4313 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 05:55:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by LoanPro71
I don't expect anything to change for the better until the American People get SERIOUS about the concept "... of the People, by the People, FOR the People"
Well, that was just Abraham Lincoln running his mouth off again. You know how them damn Republicans are!
LP... Head of Nail, meet Hammer... This is going to end up with millions in the streets of DC someday. We can only hope we haven't gotten too lazy for that.
National Health Care would have been so easy to achieve... this Moby Dick-sized mammoth of lawyer-speak is exactly what the doctor did not order.
So, how's it feel watching the United States of America disintegrate without a shot being fired? I'm at the point where I'm just laughing at it all. We're being led by Barack and Nancy Flintstone, with Barney Frank 'Rubble' and 'Joe Rockhead' Biden asking us to wipe Mr. Slate clean (if you get my drift... it's pretty bad downwind), all brought to you in prime-time living color (well, as long as the color is red) by Sickle and Hammer.
We're on the same page for the most part. I just have one point to make. You say we're being "led" by those Democrats listed. Not so, those Democrats are simply dancing to the tune of their corporate masters ... like the Republicans do when they are "in power".
Corporate "personhood", a topic that rarely if ever gets mentioned anywhere in the media, is a very large part of the problem.
Stephen Colbert, ironically, is the only media figure I've ever seen who actually has the balls to touch on the subject.
Check this out ...
Stephen Colbert has gone where no pundit has dared go before — talking truth to the power of corporations. He discussed corporate personhood and the upcoming Supreme Court decision that might put the final nail in the coffin of free elections by giving corporations more free speech rights than actual (human) people.
http://politicalirony.com/2009/09/17/colbert-explains-corporate-personhood/
Colbert nailed it.
It's a sad day in America when we have to turn to The Comedy Channel for political insight.
You're right, all we can do is laugh at this point ... until the other shoe drops.
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:06:43 AM
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So what happened to the Tea baggers and ultra-Righters in upstate NY. I thought you stated "Independents are breaking for Hoffman".
I keep telling you .... it is always Reps and Dems ... 3rd party candidates don't have a prayer. Same thing in NJ ... what happened to Dagget?
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
Xactly, the people always realize the last guy lied to them and they let them know it...If Obama would have done 1 thing he said, maybe they could have held onto them(Bush failed at this too)...The reason it's no surprise because you know whether R or D, they lie and suck at what they do and need constant replacing...The surprise is suppose to be holding them but since both sides lie, neither can...There is no difference between them...
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rudeness
5407 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:14:14 AM
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
So what happened to the Tea baggers and ultra-Righters in upstate NY. I thought you stated "Independents are breaking for Hoffman".
I keep telling you .... it is always Reps and Dems ... 3rd party candidates don't have a prayer. Same thing in NJ ... what happened to Dagget?
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
>>>Nothing in these three races is a surprice to anyone who undertands how the system works.
Xactly, the people always realize the last guy lied to them and they let them know it...If Obama would have done 1 thing he said, maybe they could have held onto them(Bush failed at this too)...The reason it's no surprise because you know whether R or D, they lie and suck at what they do and need constant replacing...The surprise is suppose to be holding them but since both sides lie, neither can...There is no difference between them...
It doesn't really matter since Owens himself has stated several times that he is a Reagan Democrat. I wonder what he thinks of the healthcare bill, any guesses? |
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LoanPro71
4313 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:44:27 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Gabriels
NEWSFLASH.......Ron Paul will NEVER be POTUS! And as you wait for that moment that will never come, our country is being torn to shreds. As it stands now we have to work with what is out there, and try to elect the most conservative candidates on the ballot. Generally speaking that would be a Republican. If we dont slow Obama down as fast as possible there will be nothing left with which to build on.
Dont get me wrong LP, I believe that RP has some great ideas, but its not ever going to happen for him. Just a short time ago the pundits were saying that conservatism was dead. I dont think it is, and think that it will make a huge comeback here shortly. Hopefully, someone like Ronald Reagan will come forward and put us back on the RIGHT track. Just.02 from an old Reagan conservative.
The implication that we Ron Paul folks are somehow "sitting around waiting for RP to be elected president" is silly, and insulting.
Where do you think the Tea Party idea started? Who do you think is largely responsible for bringing the GOP's hypocrisy to light? Why do you think the GOP is trying to find it's soul right now? Why do you think so many Republicans are calling themselves Independent these days?
The Ron Paul movement is the reason. You can downplay it all you want, but this simple truth will someday be common knowledge.
You can get on board now, or you can get on board later ... but eventually, you'll get on board and join us.
As for Reagan ... I liked Reagan ... I think he had good intentions but let's be real ... he wasn't a conservative. The national debt tripled during his tenure. How is that conservative?
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:49:49 AM
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
Colbert nailed it.
It's a sad day in America when we have to turn to The Comedy Channel for political insight.
Comedians have always been more in touch with politics, because they feel protected by disguising their disgust as a joke and speak more freely.
We don't have free speech and we all know it. Use the wrong nickname on this very forum and you'll get one of those government calls just like I did. I have no doubt that they would leap right past "ITouchChildren69" to get to any Obama detractor, because the FBI is full of robotic pr*cks who goosestep in line with anything they are told by 'the Man'. All they care about is their paycheck and the ability to crush the lives of other people into dust. It's all a big joke to them.
I'm impressed with Soto-hag catching on that the Supreme Farce is responsible for bypassing constitutional intent by fraudulently allowing corporations to be allowed to act as a person.
The Supreme Court is outdated and biased, bought-and-paid-for with bribery and corruption, and should be disbanded. This is one huge case of Founding Father F***-Up... This body is much too powerful and far too easily corrupted or slanted. There is no reason at all to have representatives when the laws can be bypassed and reinterpreted by a small hand-picked Mafia clone. There is also no reason to appoint anyone for life or allow these biased jag-offs to bypass public election and then deny that we have a 'royal family' in the United States, because it's the same damn thing as having a royal family of jerks that you can't get rid of. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:53:30 AM
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>>>So what happened to the Tea baggers and ultra-Righters in upstate NY. I thought you stated "Independents are breaking for Hoffman".
If you don't think a guy coming out of nowhere with no experience in politics running a Rep candidate out of a race and getting very close isn't a good thing, you're lost in your 2 party world(which we know, good thing everyone doesn't have that limited thinking)...Message sent which equals a win for America...I wish he would have won, oh well on that, but the message was sent and it will effect all incumbents in how they act today forward since it's all about the next election... |
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assassin17
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 06:59:58 AM
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
As for Reagan ... I liked Reagan ... I think he had good intentions but let's be real ... he wasn't a conservative. The national debt tripled during his tenure. How is that conservative?
Very simple. By using tried-and-true economic methods for his spending, which worked and restored the economy faster than anyone anticipated, which made his detractors look like idiots. This is opposed to a Democrat's method of tossing money up into the wind and hoping that it sticks as they urinate into it.
Reagan made sure that the debt would be a manageable amount, but foolishly thought that his successors would stick to the concept of paying it off after the trouble had passed. (The part of 'trust in his fellow presidents to do the right thing' must have been the onset of the Alzheimers.)
Conservative does not mean "I won't spend a penny", it means "I spend money after gauging the necessity of doing so". Where do you get the idea that a conservative can never spend a cent or invest in the future? They do it, they just do it conservatively instead of hastily. Tying the hands of a conservative by expecting them never to spend or borrow would be very ineffective in an emergency, which Reagan certainly faced. |
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cspatmon
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:32:21 AM
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...again my condolences to the local Virginians. If for one moment that they think this statewide election reflect the sentiments of most Americans regarding President Obama. It's such a widespread of disillusionment and delirium among people it's quite sad. What mattered most to the Obama admin., picking up that seat in upstate NY. Which I believed have not been held by a Dem. since the 1800's. And by the way while you're gloating check out the statistics of the voter turn out population. By race, age etc. etc... yea...yea...I know you're trying to keep hope alive. Meanwhile, it rates high on the list of the Tooth Fairy..Easter Bunny.....any Disney cartoons!!!!LMAO!!! |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:33:07 AM
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A message was sent alright. I'm waiting to see which next candidate will readily return the deadly Palin embrace. I await the next move by Palin/Armey and the other new leaders of the Republican party.
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>So what happened to the Tea baggers and ultra-Righters in upstate NY. I thought you stated "Independents are breaking for Hoffman".
If you don't think a guy coming out of nowhere with no experience in politics running a Rep candidate out of a race and getting very close isn't a good thing, you're lost in your 2 party world(which we know, good thing everyone doesn't have that limited thinking)...Message sent which equals a win for America...I wish he would have won, oh well on that, but the message was sent and it will effect all incumbents in how they act today forward since it's all about the next election...
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assassin17
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:36:29 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
If you don't think a guy coming out of nowhere with no experience in politics running a Rep candidate out of a race and getting very close isn't a good thing, you're lost in your 2 party world(which we know, good thing everyone doesn't have that limited thinking)...Message sent which equals a win for America...I wish he would have won, oh well on that, but the message was sent and it will effect all incumbents in how they act today forward since it's all about the next election...
Actually, life is much like sports. I'm of the mindset that a loss is a loss. "Messages" are ignored in the corrupt world of politics, it takes real action and results to get anything accomplished. Moral victories are for irrelevant piss-ants and piss-ants aren't winners in any sense of the word.
The splitting of those Republican votes once again cost them dearly, and it always will unless Dem votes are also being split. The concept is very familiar to even us simple minds that watch American Idol. Vote-splitting made both of the conservative candidates complete losers and kept their antithesis in power. That is a LOSS to the cause, which is unacceptable and will shortly lead to the destruction of this country as the Dems plunge us into another of their cherished Depressions.
This is exactly why fools like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader do nothing but empower their enemies. Only an idiot and an egotistical powermonger attempts to storm a castle by leaving the troops at the gate and going solo through the moat. They also drown.
You'll never hear of Hoffman again and you never should. This third-party fad you've bought into?... It does not exist! Is it a conservative party, moderate, or liberal? Does it have a platform or even a name? The answer in all cases is "Who the hell knows?" If you cannot answer those questions, and so far nobody has even ATTEMPTED to answer them for me, there is no third party! Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. There are a hundred of these little fad 'parties' every election, but none of them has ever known their ass from a hole in their pants. You cannot hang your hat on a breeze passing by, no matter how many times you try.
I don't care how any of you feel about the two main parties. Call them any names that you want. Your choices may be Dumb and Dumber, but those are your choices; You either choose Dumb or you get Dumber (double-meaning intended). But in no way should you run outside and begin to yell for Dumbest to come save you, because Dumb and Dumber are merely going to shut the door and lock you out of their house. There's a reason you'll be hanging out with Dumbest from then on and the next guy that runs out is gonna be yelling right at YOU.
You all have exactly TWO valid options, Right or Left. Nobody has a third arm, so pick your Lesser Evil and get with the program or someone else is going to pick it for you. |
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djorge44
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:41:30 AM
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| the message is to the leaders of the party, if you chose a Dem in Republican clothing, the conservatives will not back them 'for the good of the party' and they shouldn't. The more I read about Scozzafava the more I question how she could even register as a Republican. She has no core Republican beliefs, she is large government, tax and spend, pro-choice, pro-union etc. What was R about her? |
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VVance
6600 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:42:23 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
If you don't think a guy coming out of nowhere with no experience in politics running a Rep candidate out of a race and getting very close isn't a good thing, you're lost in your 2 party world(which we know, good thing everyone doesn't have that limited thinking)...Message sent which equals a win for America...I wish he would have won, oh well on that, but the message was sent and it will effect all incumbents in how they act today forward since it's all about the next election...
Actually, life is much like sports. I'm of the mindset that a loss is a loss. "Messages" are ignored in the corrupt world of politics, it takes real action and results to get anything accomplished. Moral victories are for irrelevant piss-ants and piss-ants aren't winners in any sense of the word.
The splitting of those Republican votes once again cost them dearly, and it always will unless Dem votes are also being split. The concept is very familiar to even us simple minds that watch American Idol. Vote-splitting made both of the conservative candidates complete losers and kept their antithesis in power. That is a LOSS to the cause, which is unacceptable and will shortly lead to the destruction of this country as the Dems plunge us into another of their cherished Depressions.
This is exactly why fools like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader do nothing but empower their enemies. Only an idiot and an egotistical powermonger attempts to storm a castle by leaving the troops at the gate and going solo through the moat. They also drown.
You'll never hear of Hoffman again and you never should. This third-party fad you've bought into?... It does not exist! Is it a conservative party, moderate, or liberal? Does it have a platform or even a name? The answer in all cases is "Who the hell knows?" If you cannot answer those questions, and so far nobody has even ATTEMPTED to answer them for me, there is no third party! Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. There are a hundred of these little fad 'parties' every election, but none of them has ever known their ass from a hole in their pants. You cannot hang your hat on a breeze passing by, no matter how many times you try.
I don't care how any of you feel about the two main parties. Call them any names that you want. Your choices may be Dumb and Dumber, but those are your choices; You either choose Dumb or you get Dumber (double-meaning intended). But in no way should you run outside and begin to yell for Dumbest to come save you, because Dumb and Dumber are merely going to shut the door and lock you out of their house. There's a reason you'll be hanging out with Dumbest from then on and the next guy that runs out is gonna be yelling right at YOU.
You all have exactly TWO valid options, Right or Left. Nobody has a third arm, so pick your Lesser Evil and get with the program or someone else is going to pick it for you.
What you're missing is you had two options, Left or Lefter. That is the reason for the civil war occurring in the GOP. |
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:48:22 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
A message was sent alright. I'm waiting to see which next candidate will readily return the deadly Palin embrace. I await the next move by Palin/Armey and the other new leaders of the Republican party.
Palin actually came out smelling like a rose. She proved beyond a doubt that she carries more fans than Newt and the Good Ole boys right now.
They better get their new phony-moderate butts back in line, because she will make every one of them a has-been, whether it destroys the GOP or not. Like I said, these egos are going to have to Photoshop something about her and pray that a bunch of fools fall for it. Her crusade of revenge against those two-faced hypocrites who scapegoated her is gaining steam. She could be the next Ron Paul, working like heck to make a statement and killing the cause in the process. She may also rein herself in to become the nominee, but there is no way they will let her back in the door now. Country-boys don't put a woman in charge of anything except the beer and sandwiches.
I really don't think she cares... this is a woman scorned and she's a beautiful siren with deadly claws. It can be fun on the back, but it ain't so good face-to-face. |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:51:22 AM
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I agree with your perspective on this.
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Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
A message was sent alright. I'm waiting to see which next candidate will readily return the deadly Palin embrace. I await the next move by Palin/Armey and the other new leaders of the Republican party.
Palin actually came out smelling like a rose. She proved beyond a doubt that she carries more fans than Newt and the Good Ole boys right now.
They better get their new phony-moderate butts back in line, because she will make every one of them a has-been, whether it destroys the GOP or not. Like I said, these egos are going to have to Photoshop something about her and pray that a bunch of fools fall for it. Her crusade of revenge against those two-faced hypocrites who scapegoated her is gaining steam. She could be the next Ron Paul, working like heck to make a statement and killing the cause in the process. She may also rein herself in to become the nominee, but there is no way they will let her back in the door now. Country-boys don't put a woman in charge of anything except the beer and sandwiches.
I really don't think she cares... this is a woman scorned and she's a beautiful siren with deadly claws. It can be fun on the back, but it ain't so good face-to-face.
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:53:42 AM
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>>>>"Messages" are ignored in the corrupt world of politics, it takes real action and results to get anything accomplished
Maybe before last year, we'll see...
Since I don't back either party, I think a shakeup is good for both/either side and I think your wrong about the "message", there are way more people 'aware' and following politics than ever before, maybe the paradigm is shifting...If could take decades, so what, time we have! |
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 07:55:53 AM
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Originally posted by VVance
What you're missing is you had two options, Left or Lefter. That is the reason for the civil war occurring in the GOP.
Nope, sorry. 'Left' was, is, and always will be, positioned to the right of 'Lefter'.
Fail to acknowledge that and you end up with Lefter... every single time. People voted for the ole 'hidden-arm on the right' trick and, voila... THERE IS NO THIRD ARM! It's magic!
They had their choice... Pick the slow poison and hope for a cure later on, or pick the fast one and accept instant death. Yet, those idiots in NY chose to drop the vial of slow poison on the floor and step on it, only to find the vial behind door number 3 was empty.
The experiment failed and now the third-party scientists will all die. They always do, you know. Tsk tsk. |
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