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broker3271
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 Posted - 08/22/2008 : 3:33:38 PM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
Sorry - SMG/David replied while I cranked out that post above.
SIDENOTE to Broker: I have been a member here much longer than the few years that my account shows; however, at some point my original BO account appears to have been lost and I was forced to create a new account.
What was your old screen name? Also, your account shows that you've been active here for just under two years, the maximum that you could have been a member is 3 years 10 months assuming your old story is true, and using the domain creation date of brokeroutpost.com of November 11, 2004. That would assume that you knew Darin and were one of the first ones here...So, using the phrase "the few years that my account shows" is kind of misleading.
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2008 : 4:14:03 PM
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I honestly don't know anything about the history of this site. All I know is that I had an account with a saved login. One day I showed up at BO and that login (which had not changed on my side) did not work. I don't believe I had ever posted -- I generally spent quite awhile reading before I'm confident enough to post on a forum. To digress.. I registered for a new screen name. If you happen to know Darin, perhaps we can find out what the issue was with that -- but I'm not sure of your underlying point...
Moving on. Yes, generally with VDP (Variable Data Printing) the average turnaround, that I could *count on* was about 2-3 days. Sure I could get 24 hours in some situations, but it was not consistent -- and generally not on Mondays. However, at current, I RDP into a server -- upload that day's PPML job, and start printing that minute. The print time is tremendously long, relative to alternative technologies (eg offset printing). The idea behind a co-op, is that we can use their people for things like "stuffing". Due to our investment, we get a priority, so match-mailings do not slow us down.
As far as wholesale printing/mailing. You'd be surprised. That business doesn't have too much of a markup! For us, it's more about control and convenience, although there is a significant savings on VDP, which is generally a much higher markup than offset, in my experience.
Back to your #10 point. Your original reply to me was exceptionally simple and straighforward. I suggested other media could outperform #10's and because of that, you stated that I obviously didn't know what I was talking about and if I remember, that I was showing my ignorance. If I read your reply correctly, I was obviously ignorant of direct mail as a whole.
If you're saying that is not what you meant, by all means, please clarify.
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/22/2008 : 10:40:15 PM
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BTW - This is the collateral from the SMG site, referring to response rate and using a non-standard mail piece (which I assumed not to be a #10, and David verified without actually specifying what they are offering):
Quote from David's Site:
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The national marketing mailer response rate is 0.25% to 0.50%, and in today’s turbulent economic markets you would be lucky to get a 0.50% response.
Through our cutting edge design breakthrough we have created a piece that is not a norm in the industry, and our piece does not get thrown away without being opened. The typical consumer that responds to our design piece is in the upper tier of their respected industry, and offers a response that can usually lead to the closing of a deal. Our campaigns receives a response rate above the national average at 2% to 4%, which is unheard of in our industry. We stay away from the standard mailer concept and that is what allows us to offer such a high response rate, as well as our integrated technology based verbiage to offer the consumer the most realistic ratio of return.
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That suggests a profound improvement from the mean: .375% response, to the mean 3.0% response, which is a quite impressive 800% improvement! |
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broker3271
418 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 1:46:56 PM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
As far as wholesale printing/mailing. You'd be surprised. That business doesn't have too much of a markup! For us, it's more about control and convenience, although there is a significant savings on VDP, which is generally a much higher markup than offset, in my experience.
Back to your #10 point. Your original reply to me was exceptionally simple and straighforward. I suggested other media could outperform #10's and because of that, you stated that I obviously didn't know what I was talking about and if I remember, that I was showing my ignorance. If I read your reply correctly, I was obviously ignorant of direct mail as a whole.
If you're saying that is not what you meant, by all means, please clarify.
You're right, there isn't that much of a mark up; but any advantage is still an advantage.
I would say regardless of my original point you have proven yourself to be quite knowledgable regarding some aspects of Direct Mail. I don't know what you know regarding copy-writing or list selection, however if your level of knowledge in those areas is similar to the level of knowledge that you have shown here then I would have to remove the qualifier in the first sentence.
Having said that, I do think you underestimate the power of the #10 windowed envelope, done correctly to outperform other mediums of Direct Mail. I think that, especially given your relationship with your printer, it might be something to look into again. Then again, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it.
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broker3271
418 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 2:00:25 PM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
BTW - This is the collateral from the SMG site, referring to response rate and using a non-standard mail piece (which I assumed not to be a #10, and David verified without actually specifying what they are offering):
Quote from David's Site:
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The national marketing mailer response rate is 0.25% to 0.50%, and in today’s turbulent economic markets you would be lucky to get a 0.50% response.
Through our cutting edge design breakthrough we have created a piece that is not a norm in the industry, and our piece does not get thrown away without being opened. The typical consumer that responds to our design piece is in the upper tier of their respected industry, and offers a response that can usually lead to the closing of a deal. Our campaigns receives a response rate above the national average at 2% to 4%, which is unheard of in our industry. We stay away from the standard mailer concept and that is what allows us to offer such a high response rate, as well as our integrated technology based verbiage to offer the consumer the most realistic ratio of return.
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That suggests a profound improvement from the mean: .375% response, to the mean 3.0% response, which is a quite impressive 800% improvement!
If there is one thing I've learned from all my years in sales, it's never to trust marketing numbers.
For example, I don't think one could logically assume that the mean response rate of SMG's responses is 3%. In fact, I think it's quite the opposite. Take his last 100 mail drops, 99 of them could have been between 2% and 2.1% and he could have had one that was 4%. So he could reasonable claim than his response range is from 2%-4%. Even if he's BS'ing and you recieved a 1% response from his mailer, that would still be twice the alleged national range of Direct Mail response rates as quoteed by this company. Although I am curious where he gets that range.
I think what Myself and everybody else who is reading this thread would like to know is what exactly is it that gets such a good response. How much does this program cost? Who are you targeted? |
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 8:42:24 PM
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Gary,
I completely agree with you about the mean factoring, you're 100% correct. However, I had to start somewhere and I have yet to receive and feedback confirming or denying the performance they claim to get their customers.
Further, I don't doubt for one second that you've figured out a way to make #10's do magic. Your passionate pounce on me for mentioning anything else, proves it! And... There are a variety of techniques we've used with amazing consistency, that would be great in #10's. With that said, I just hate "cutting off my nose to spite my face" by savings money on printing, when I'm mailing premium leads.
I don't want to continue to take SMG's thread off-topic, so I'm going to reply specifically about that -- and then open a new thread for you and I to discuss #10's, because I am really interested in the having a "meeting of the minds" with you on this point. I hope that we'll be able to get many involved, and come out with some interesting information at the end.
Back to SMG -- Broker3271 has just stated what I've requested earlier, which is that you'll have a difficult time in this market, just making claims about response-rate.
Basically there are only two successful techniques that marketing companies are using these days (1) guarantee a certain response / put your money where your mouth is, which buys you the ability to be somewhat vague, ...or... (2) provide details to justify your claims. In other words, you don't have to backup what you are saying, if it makes sense. In your case, however, there hasn't been anything of substance.
We're still not sure what you're marketing, or the cost, or anything else, really. You've got two very big buyers in this thread, who you could theoretically sell (albeit very difficult as we're obviously not green to this side of things). Plus, now you have a post that will be well-indexed in the search engines, thanks to the detailed discussions that have been tacked on.
Therefore, lets get into it -- and get yourself some exposure.
* Come out and be completely overt: you're marketing collateral claims 2-4% response rates. If you're desinging the piece, you're picking the list, and everything else about the control is essentially up to you -- you'll know response within 0.30% on a 10,000 piece mailer, if you have experience with this control. Therefore, tell us specifically, no hyperbole, what you are claiming. If you are saying that you do not control the "control", then let us know what components are controlled by the client / what is the gist of what you're offering, which according to you collateral, will increase response rate from at least 400% and up to 800%.
* For example, what types of lists are you selling? Which specific lists are you selling which provide a 3% return?
* What sort of mail piece are you doing (you don't have to give away the farm, but some sort of idea what people are getting). And keep in mind, nothing about direct mail is private -- and I subscribe to a service that has probably already indexed your piece if you have been doing it for any amount of time.
* What sort of anciliary data are you able to access to reduce/optimize the universe so significantly. Again, you're not giving away the farm -- if you're really offering something special here, let us know what it is and we'll probably buy it from you. Although in my experience that would be very rare, I'd be more than happy if it were true!
* What is your pricing?
* How do you stand behind your claims? Keep in mind you're talking to people that are familiar with using testimonials in marketing and if you stand behind something such as this, well, lets just say this doesn't normally fly in direct marketing circles.
And you can pickup some of the other questions above, which remain. |
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broker3271
418 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 9:49:24 PM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
Gary,
I completely agree with you about the mean factoring, you're 100% correct. However, I had to start somewhere and I have yet to receive and feedback confirming or denying the performance they claim to get their customers.
Back to SMG -- Broker3271 has just stated what I've requested earlier, which is that you'll have a difficult time in this market, just making claims about response-rate.
Basically there are only two successful techniques that marketing companies are using these days (1) guarantee a certain response / put your money where your mouth is, which buys you the ability to be somewhat vague, ...or... (2) provide details to justify your claims. In other words, you don't have to backup what you are saying, if it makes sense. In your case, however, there hasn't been anything of substance.
We're still not sure what you're marketing, or the cost, or anything else, really. You've got two very big buyers in this thread, who you could theoretically sell (albeit very difficult as we're obviously not green to this side of things). Plus, now you have a post that will be well-indexed in the search engines, thanks to the detailed discussions that have been tacked on.
Therefore, lets get into it -- and get yourself some exposure.
* Come out and be completely overt: you're marketing collateral claims 2-4% response rates. If you're desinging the piece, you're picking the list, and everything else about the control is essentially up to you -- you'll know response within 0.30% on a 10,000 piece mailer, if you have experience with this control. Therefore, tell us specifically, no hyperbole, what you are claiming. If you are saying that you do not control the "control", then let us know what components are controlled by the client / what is the gist of what you're offering, which according to you collateral, will increase response rate from at least 400% and up to 800%.
* For example, what types of lists are you selling? Which specific lists are you selling which provide a 3% return?
* What sort of mail piece are you doing (you don't have to give away the farm, but some sort of idea what people are getting). And keep in mind, nothing about direct mail is private -- and I subscribe to a service that has probably already indexed your piece if you have been doing it for any amount of time.
* What sort of anciliary data are you able to access to reduce/optimize the universe so significantly. Again, you're not giving away the farm -- if you're really offering something special here, let us know what it is and we'll probably buy it from you. Although in my experience that would be very rare, I'd be more than happy if it were true!
* What is your pricing?
* How do you stand behind your claims? Keep in mind you're talking to people that are familiar with using testimonials in marketing and if you stand behind something such as this, well, lets just say this doesn't normally fly in direct marketing circles.
And you can pickup some of the other questions above, which remain.
I'll add to this a little bit.
A. Seriously, give us a somewhat less vague idea of what exactly it is that you are doing. I'm not looking for the keys to the kingdom, mind. But what I am looking for is, seriously, a strong idea of what it is that you do.
B. Testominals, when backed up by concrete information, are very powerful indeed. A long time ago (well, 5 years ago) I had a company call me up and literally Show me a mortgage brokers results from a campaign that was currently going on. You had better believe they got my business.
C. I have to believe that there really is no "magic bullet" when it comes to data. I could be proven wrong, (Like when triggers first came out, but I digress) but most like you have access to the same data as everybody else in the world does.
D. It's not about selling us two, but provide the information for everybody... |
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321
24 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2008 : 09:00:26 AM
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Happy Last week of the month,
I know some of you have been waiting to see what my results are from my synergy campaign. Well we have taken about 67 calls and counting. I took 1 this morning which looks pretty good its a 702 credit score full doc, loan to value of 81%, a single family residence, with a 482,000 loan amount, and debt to income 44%, although the husband is a union emplyee and is currently laid off, my undriter should be able to go off his w2 instead of his pay stub. The wife has a license day care center out of her home and shes short of two years for filing her taxes, and the debt to income is based off of him soley. This is just 1 of the 28 solid apps we took. So you wonder will I do it again and was it profitable at the end of the day. I can honestly say that it was both and I will be running another campaign a little up north from us after labor day. I will keep using them as long as it keeps working. Their data I found to be much different than what I have used in the past, so in their defense they are definetly doing something different. I still have the rest of the week left for calls, so I must get going, till next time... I will keep you all posted
JW
Your mortgage advisor for the everday person |
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smg2020
38 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 07:57:40 AM
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Sorry for the delayed response, it's the end of the month and the last week of the summer, and we have many drops going out to hit after Labor day.
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* For example, what types of lists are you selling? Which specific lists are you selling which provide a 3% return?
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* What sort of anciliary data are you able to access to reduce/optimize the universe so significantly. Again, you're not giving away the farm -- if you're really offering something special here, let us know what it is and we'll probably buy it from you. Although in my experience that would be very rare, I'd be more than happy if it were true!
Broker3271: quote:
C. I have to believe that there really is no "magic bullet" when it comes to data. I could be proven wrong, (Like when triggers first came out, but I digress) but most like you have access to the same data as everybody else in the world does.
The list is the single most important factor in our quoted response. The lists we are selling are data mined through our internal processes, which take your standard modeled data list and get screened against several different variables. The software and technology that we have allows us to screen and verify the modeled data list down to the minute filter selects allowing us to offer the most targeted list for our clients. Most companies don’t have the budget or resources to go beyond the standard modeled list, and that is why everyone thinks there is only one form of data.
Quotes from FLProcessor:
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* What sort of mail piece are you doing (you don't have to give away the farm, but some sort of idea what people are getting). And keep in mind, nothing about direct mail is private -- and I subscribe to a service that has probably already indexed your piece if you have been doing it for any amount of time.
The type of piece we are using is a hand stamped, hand addressed 6 X 9 envelope. What we write in our message is also a key element in our response. Since many of our materials are copyrighted, we are not allowed to publicly disclose any of our products on an internet forum site for obvious reasons. The only reason is we are trying to protect our product as well as our clients, from exposing our style of marketing and over saturating the market. In today’s industry as far as direct mail goes, you can do any piece out there and get responses, but the quality of the data determines the quality of your responses. In addition all of our mail is generally sent out First Class postage to confirm a Monday or Tuesday in home date.
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* What is your pricing?
We tailor each campaign to each client individually, and it depends on many different variables that are being used types of card stock, different types of postage used, the amount of filter selects used for data migration and different quality in printing. The costs can range anywhere from $0.49 up to as much as $0.99.
FLProcessor: quote:
* How do you stand behind your claims? Keep in mind you're talking to people that are familiar with using testimonials in marketing and if you stand behind something such as this, well, lets just say this doesn't normally fly in direct marketing circles.
Broker3271: quote:
B. Testominals, when backed up by concrete information, are very powerful indeed. A long time ago (well, 5 years ago) I had a company call me up and literally Show me a mortgage brokers results from a campaign that was currently going on. You had better believe they got my business.
If you contact our offices we can give you several references of brokers that have worked with us in the past and that continue to work with us. We encourage our new clients to get in contact with various brokers throughout the country that have worked with us to get an outside perspective from the brokers view point. We for confidentiality reasons will not reveal any private information about any of our clients on an internet forum site.
If anyone needs any further details or has any questions feel free to contact me directly. Thank You. |
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financeguycaplic
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 09:27:46 AM
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| David, can you please call me in my office, we have decided to move forward with your program. Can I still get a drop out to hit on Tuesday after Labor Day? |
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ginashea
46 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2008 : 9:36:33 PM
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David---I emailed you my information to contact me...
Thank you,
Gina Shea |
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smg2020
38 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 10:19:53 AM
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Gina, it didn't come thru might have gotten stuck in the spam server, can you resend to dlynch@smg2020.com.
Thanks and have a great day. |
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smg2020
38 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 2:54:25 PM
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Mike,
Just sent over the invoice, we are all set for our Tuesday drop. Sarah from our design team will call you to confirm everything first thing tomorrow morning to go over the final proof for your review. Appreciate the opportunity and I look forward to exceeding your expectations. If you have any questions or need anything else please let us know. |
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 3:16:53 PM
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I have to tell you, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but something is tremendously odd here.
There is a member who just now signed up on BOutpost this week, who is arranging his direct mail capaign through this thread. The company doing the marketing, SMG, is encouraging new clients to contact them about all matters privately -- yet happy to discuss actual drop dates for running campaigns -- through this thread?
David - between the questions you avoided, the ambiguous manner in which you avoided the list question, this current event, and the other points I've mentioned above -- I would like to make a suggestion that you stick to an advertisement without going too far beyond that. It's pretty clear you're still in the new stages of starting a mortgage marketing company, and you'll do much better staying away from ultra-hyperbole and shills.
Seriously, I don't mean that in a bad way -- just trying to help you and help everyone else in the process. |
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financeguycaplic
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 3:47:37 PM
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| FLprocessor fyi I have been a member for a few weeks now just to clarify, and that doesn't mean I'm a new broker. I have been in the mortgage industry for over 13 years, and for you to assume your alligations about smg2020 based on a forum without ever speaking with them really questions your validity on this matter. They're asking new prospects to contact them if you clearly read through their threads. Just because people are new to the outpost doesn't give you the right to make assumptions. Assumptions is the mother of all screwups, as our great Mother Theresa once said. I'm confident in the decision I've made, I've checked out their refrences and I'm going to give them a shot. I've read through some of the previous threads you're refering to and it seems that your questions have been answered. Any other unanswered questions you have I think no company can legitimately answer for you correctly. I think many of us are wondering are you a direct mail expert, a processor, a mortgage broker, or none of the above? |
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smg2020
38 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 4:14:17 PM
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The company doing the marketing, SMG, is encouraging new clients to contact them about all matters privately -- yet happy to discuss actual drop dates for running campaigns -- through this thread?
Just so everyone understands our motives, we are asking members to contact us to get a sample of our pieces or more information regarding our programs. We are not here to hide anything, we are simply trying to promote direct mail, and in the process really educate people on what works and what doesn't. |
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 4:36:30 PM
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> Any other unanswered questions you have I think no company
> can legitimately answer for you correctly
Really? What questions have I asked that no company can answer?
Mike - I'm not disputing you are a new broker -- I'm questioning the fact that something is very off from this entire thread.
SMG has an executive suite and new domain. Yet claims to have been in business a long time, and speaks with 500 brokers per day. Now a new member is discussing his capaign through a public forum, rather than simply calling them. It is all highly suspect. I asked several very straightforward questions, most of which went undanswered, including the most important, which was avoided, the list.
No one is making any claims; however, I'm offering some free advice. if it turns out that there is a shill involved, it will come out, or you will be called on it.
You want to know specifically, wheterh I am I a direct mail expert, a processor, a broker, etc? What would it matter, I'm not the one making the claims, or trying to sell something. Yes, I do own a very high-volume brokerage that is 100% marketing based, without conventional LO's. Yes, one of the two of us who posts under this account is a direct-response marketing expert with a tremendous history/contacts in this realm. Yes we own a portion of a company that makes their income in direct response (although we do *not* take mortgage clientelle nor do we solicit here, not ever, we prefer not to market for people in our same industry). Yes, prior to owning a brokerage, we owned an outsourced processing company that did processing, compliance for dozens of different brokerages. Yes, after our top lead reseller realized our response rate was so high, we were paid as a consultant to help them optimize their direct mail program and a certain dataset they sell nationally, however, we do not solicit for them or any other lead broker ...but tell me again, how is this at all relevant, when I'm simply pointing out the obvious and asking fairly simple questions? Or are you simply attempting to further ignore those questions and make this about me? And if so, should I sign up for a new account, and post under that account, to argue on my behalf? And if I did, would it be okay if I cried about how people don't deserve to be suspicious of me, because the account is new?
Let me know -- surely with a week under your belt and 20 posts or so, you've got it all down -- so by all means, set me straight... |
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ginashea
46 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 9:07:35 PM
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Hi David---My phone number is 702-321-7320. Thank you,Gina Shea
I don't know what happened to the email either. You can call me and then we can talk about what I am looking for.
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broker3271
418 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 9:53:16 PM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
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SMG has an executive suite and new domain. Yet claims to have been in business a long time, and speaks with 500 brokers per day. Now a new member is discussing his capaign through a public forum, rather than simply calling them. It is all highly suspect. I asked several very straightforward questions, most of which went undanswered, including the most important, which was avoided, the list.
No one is making any claims; however, I'm offering some free advice. if it turns out that there is a shill involved, it will come out, or you will be called on it.
You want to know specifically, wheterh I am I a direct mail expert, a processor, a broker, etc? What would it matter, I'm not the one making the claims, or trying to sell something. Yes, I do own a very high-volume brokerage that is 100% marketing based, without conventional LO's. Yes, one of the two of us who posts under this account is a direct-response marketing expert with a tremendous history/contacts in this realm. Yes we own a portion of a company that makes their income in direct response (although we do *not* take mortgage clientelle nor do we solicit here, not ever, we prefer not to market for people in our same industry). Yes, prior to owning a brokerage, we owned an outsourced processing company that did processing, compliance for dozens of different brokerages. Yes, after our top lead reseller realized our response rate was so high, we were paid as a consultant to help them optimize their direct mail program and a certain dataset they sell nationally, however, we do not solicit for them or any other lead broker ...but tell me again, how is this at all relevant, when I'm simply pointing out the obvious and asking fairly simple questions? Or are you simply attempting to further ignore those questions and make this about me? And if so, should I sign up for a new account, and post under that account, to argue on my behalf? And if I did, would it be okay if I cried about how people don't deserve to be suspicious of me, because the account is new?
Let me know -- surely with a week under your belt and 20 posts or so, you've got it all down -- so by all means, set me straight...
You know what, I'll dispute it.
Personally I have no problem with the executive suite, I have used one in the past and am frankly thinking about going back to one. Website registration, a little dubious, but there is a Synergy Media Group main site, maybe these people are an offshoot of them.
But here's what really gets me:
SMG signed up on 8/11; That exact same day a mortgage broker by the Name of "John Walters" with the screen name of 321 signed up with him. Now, think about that for second, In one day he liked what he saw and stroked SMG a check for somewhere between 2500-4000. In what world do people make decisions like that, especially in this Market.
I've been doing mailers for a long time, and even during the peak of the refi-boom, when I was using dollar bills to heat my brokerage during the wintertime (metaphorically speaking of course), I wouldn't just send somebody a check like that.
Mr. Lynch you haven't answered any of our questions, either myself, Tiffany, or anybody else who has posted on your thread.
This "finance guy" looks dubious. Also, there is no "Mortgage 1 Solutions," which is the name of the company that John Walters Allegedly works for, in either Oklahoma or South Carolina.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Mortgage+1+Solutions%22+Oklahoma&aq=f&oq=
This is all circumstansial of course, and frankly if I am off base I do apologize. Now, having said that, I am only trying to protect people from a potential ripoff situation here. If I can be proved wrong I will erase this entire post, and issue a full apology. |
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FLProcessor
451 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 01:25:16 AM
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Gary-
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about an exec suite or fairly new domain alone. I'm just saying that this doesn't support the statements which come from this same poster.
That is why I wrote, suggesting that he simply keep it to an advertisement and not try to go overboard, because someone will point it out and eliminate any chance of him advertising. I don't have any issue with people promoting their business, but when I see something like shilling start to appear, I always like to dig a little deeper, as do many on this forum.
In other words, if this supposed poster, who signed up on the same day and the advertisor here, turns around and posts back to this forum, talking about how great SMG is... For this marketing campaign he just had to get started *immediately* (hmmm...) - or in a more intelligent attempt, comes back to talk about how he didn't really do as much as he'd hoped, but he still paid for the campaign with no problem, etc...
Well, lets just say that would be quite fortunate for the advertisor -- for all of those events to coincide like that, and it will get very closely examined and in the end, no one wins. |
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broker3271
418 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 08:09:24 AM
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Originally posted by FLProcessor
Gary-
In other words, if this supposed poster, who signed up on the same day and the advertisor here, turns around and posts back to this forum, talking about how great SMG is... For this marketing campaign he just had to get started *immediately* (hmmm...) - or in a more intelligent attempt, comes back to talk about how he didn't really do as much as he'd hoped, but he still paid for the campaign with no problem, etc...
Well, lets just say that would be quite fortunate for the advertisor -- for all of those events to coincide like that, and it will get very closely examined and in the end, no one wins.
Dollars to Deutschmarks that's what happens. |
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smg2020
38 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2008 : 07:19:55 AM
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BREAKING NEWS!!!!
Uncle Sam has just become the 800 pound gorilla in the U.S. mortgage market. The Bush administration announced Sunday it was seizing troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in a bid to help reverse a prolonged housing and credit crisis. The plan to inject up to $100 billion in each of the government-chartered mortgage giants could not only help lower mortgage rates but, some investors are hoping, buoy the overall economy.
This is great news, and has a profound impact on the world markets. World stock markets soared Monday after Washington announced a bailout of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- a move that could help bolster a shaky U.S. housing market and renew global investor confidence.
This is the time to get your marketing efforts into gear. Homeowners and new potential homeowners are more focused now then ever to get their finances in order, and this news on the financial markets brings stability back into the world markets and back into our US economy.
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mortgageplanforl
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Posted - 09/12/2008 : 2:47:12 PM
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Originally posted by financeguycaplice
David, can you please call me in my office, we have decided to move forward with your program. Can I still get a drop out to hit on Tuesday after Labor Day?
Why didn't you just call or email?? Why did you come on here to send him a message? I have bought from people on the outpost (reviews to come when I finish all the different campaigns) and I don't think I finalized the deal HERE...that is what the phone is for or email direct. |
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