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rudeness
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 Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:27:32 PM
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I hate to laugh at the misfortune of others but I have to… this is kind of funny. It shows how hard up some mortgage guys are right now. I live in a gated Tampa community, which is not considered rich… but affluent. The gate clearly displays a no trespass/no solicitation sign. So I come home this afternoon and notice going through the neighborhood that many mailboxes have been flyered. I turn the corner onto my street and see a couple of guys being run off a property by my neighbor… a retired FBI guy. I go over to ask him what’s up & he hands me a flyer advertising 100% cash out, EZ qualifying.
Before I can finish reading the flyer a few of Tampa’s finest swarm in to put cuffs on these guys and drive them off. The third cop whom my neighbor knows comes down to talk with us. He explains to us that believe it or not, these two guys are being charged with trespassing, unlicensed solicitation and here’s the kicker… a possible felony for door-to-door solicitation of a high cost mortgage product. (If it sticks). They are also in violation of federal law for placing flyers on the mailboxes. I actually feel bad for these guys… maybe I’ll offer them telemarketing jobs when they get paroled… LOL
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jscorbett
4602 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:29:42 PM
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| really which neighborhood |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:46:01 PM
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honestly why is everyone all up in arms about flyers? not even that it was mortgage guys and im biased being in the business but lets put this in presepective
1) a retiree had nothing better to do that day but bust the balls of a couple guys trying to make a living when instead of yelling at those guy for 10 minutes he could of spent 10 seconds of his pathetic life and thowing the flyer away if he didnt want it
2) police paid by taxpayer money spent time away looking for rapists, murderes, child molestors etc, and arrested people out working, not sitting at home on welfare but trying to earn thats right EARN dollar
have we really come to this point in our country where we are offended that much by a flyer on our mailbox, its not that hard to lift the lid on a trashcan |
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jscorbett
4602 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:48:58 PM
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| yes but here in Tampa with this Green guy among others mortgage infractions are a big issue as I am sure they are everywhere else |
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cmcdsm
565 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:51:38 PM
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araiderfan, it's also not that hard to read and obey signs saying "no solicitation"
Do you park in handicap spots because you're in a hurry or all the close spots are taken? Read the signs, obey them. If they flyer where they aren't suppose to, they probably do follow other rules. |
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nevets
270 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:54:03 PM
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| I really agree with you ARAIDEFAN2 what a sad situation |
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wilmar
58 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 1:55:03 PM
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| where in Tampa, I live in a no-solicitation comunity and we always get lot of flyers. |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:00:43 PM
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Originally posted by jscorbett
really which neighborhood
I'm in the Estates in New Tampa... and to address the comment about
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have we really come to this point in our country where we are offended that much by a flyer on our mailbox
No it was the fact that they had no regard for the no trespass/no solicitation sign and they were door knocking as well. There is a reason that we pay the ridiculous taxes & CDD fee's that we do. We also get a little better police service due to the various sports figures in our area... and I almost forgot... it is a federal violation to put anything in or on a mailbox that was not delivered by the post office. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by cmcdsm
araiderfan, it's also not that hard to read and obey signs saying "no solicitation"
Do you park in handicap spots because you're in a hurry or all the close spots are taken? Read the signs, obey them. If they flyer where they aren't suppose to, they probably do follow other rules.
wow are you serious? so Im assuming you dont speed, you fully stop at all stop signs and (not just a rolling stop) and follow all other laws (such as not spitting because believe it or not it is technically illegal to spit outdoors) no matter how stupid? and really by your logic you would have our police out arresting jaywalkers, solicitors, and spammers everywhere instead of doing their job arressting real felons? Im just as annoyed as anyone when I get junk mail or flyers, or get an annoying solicitor at my door, but its a sad sad pathetic day when the police are involved
come on, sometime its better to just get a life |
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wilmar
58 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:03:20 PM
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| I also live in New Tampa in Heritage Isles |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:03:39 PM
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by jscorbett
really which neighborhood
I'm in the Estates in New Tampa... and to address the comment about
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have we really come to this point in our country where we are offended that much by a flyer on our mailbox
No it was the fact that they had no regard for the no trespass/no solicitation sign and they were door knocking as well. There is a reason that we pay the ridiculous taxes & CDD fee's that we do. We also get a little better police service due to the various sports figures in our area... and I almost forgot... it is a federal violation to put anything in or on a mailbox that was not delivered by the post office.
RIGHT THERE IT IS!!! nothing against you personally but why the hell should sports figures get better police service, thats biased and technically illegal as well, that anyone should get preferential treatment becuase of who they are, yet you expected them to follow the law when even the police in your area dont |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:04:44 PM
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Originally posted by wilmar
where in Tampa, I live in a no-solicitation comunity and we always get lot of flyers.
well apparantly wilmar next time you should have those dirty rotten dispicable felons arrested when they leave a flyer on your door! lol |
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wilmar
58 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:06:42 PM
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| I will watch for them on weekend and them call 911 or the FEDS!!!! |
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Scrooge McDuck
15108 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:08:38 PM
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too badit was the minimum wage flyer hander outers that got arrested, and not the people who organized the campaign.
how do you deal living in a gated community? my weekly blow out all nighters would get my neighbors steamed and id get booted. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:09:17 PM
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| yet when someone doesnt want to work hard for his business we tend to crucify him, these guys were hitting the streets to do it! how many others are willing to do that? like I said if you dont like it throw away the flyer, its not poisonus, or barbed, at worst you may get a paper cut from it, but put a band aid on it and quit crying |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:10:25 PM
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| next time a johovas witness comes to my door Im calling the cia! lol |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:13:59 PM
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by your logic you would have our police out arresting jaywalkers, solicitors, and spammers everywhere instead of doing their job arressting real felons?
Hold on Skippy... I did not have anything to do with it. I even said that quote:
I actually feel bad for these guys
as far as better police service is concerned... yes for what we pay I do beleive that we deserve better service. Just like I beleive that its wrong to pay a higher income tax perecntage just because you make a higher income. I also never said that I
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dont speed, you fully stop at all stop signs and (not just a rolling stop) and follow all other laws (such as not spitting because believe it or not it is technically illegal to spit outdoors) no matter how stupid?
I do all of these things on a regular basis... I just don't get caught.
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wilmar
58 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:15:35 PM
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| what about those girls and the cookies!!!!! |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:19:04 PM
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the obeying the law things were actually directed at cscm when he asked if I park in handicapped spots i was pointing out how flawed his logic is
and as to your logic its flawed as well in the fact that even though you CAN buy better police service it doesnt make it right, my taxes ar probably as much as a lot of people house payments, but do I demand better police service becuase I make more money? come on, your basic rights in this country are to be treated equally and your simply pointing out what everyone knows, that that is not the case, but thats another issue for another day
the issue at hand is people are being thrown in jail for trying to earn an honest living, thats far from right |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:19:38 PM
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Originally posted by wilmar
I also live in New Tampa in Heritage Isles
We need to have a few at the Cigar Bar some night. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:20:48 PM
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| they dont count, those cookies are too damn good and thats blasphamy to ever say they should not be allowed to offer them to me lol |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:22:00 PM
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correct dollar and let me ask you this:
is it legal to offer better police service to someone just because the pay higher taxes ? |
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wilmar
58 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:22:05 PM
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| rudeness, The Estates are in Tampa Palms? |
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RANDY P
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:24:23 PM
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| it's also illegal to put anything in a mailbox unless it it's actually real mail. It's also really, really tacky to plaster flyers when you're specifically told not to do it. It's the equivalent of "spam" |
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METRO1RAY
130 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:25:52 PM
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| LOL I wish someone would do the same out here in Orange County California and put these door to door solicitors out of commission. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:25:53 PM
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| randy your correct, but as annoying as spam is what do you do with it? delete it? my point is this was an arrest neccessary? just like you delete spam, throw away the flyer! |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:29:15 PM
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Originally posted by dollar
No, the issue here is the law(s).
This stuff also does not do the mortgage profession any good.
Thats it right there... Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and that type of non-profit is exempt... your're not even comparing to similiar situations. Door to door for profit sales is also legal, if you have a Tampa permit and do not trespass... placing anything on or in a mailbox is a federal violation
I'm guessing from your response that its okay to break the law if you disagree with it. |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:31:24 PM
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Originally posted by wilmar
rudeness, The Estates are in Tampa Palms?
New Tampa in West Meadows across from the community center. |
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SeaninSantaMonic
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:31:48 PM
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(Told from the POV by the old cremudgeon)
1. They should outlaw all marketing of mortgages in the United States. It's high time Congress got involved in this important issue and put a stop to all these "mortgage brokers" who have been making money at the expense of the poor meek homeowners in this country who got their homes by slaving away at day labor jobs only to see their life savings sucked out by the evil that is the mortgage business.
2. If a homeowner wants to talk about their mortgage they should be forced to sit in line and fill out lots of long forms at a bank, and then if they qualify they can schedule a time to come in and see a bank officer who can decide if they should be able to buy a home/and or refinance if they have at least....50% equity in the home. We need to see that tese homeowners are committed to actually living in these homes...minimum of 5 years in the home before they can refinance.
3. What to do with all these whining mortgage brokers...it's off to a federal penetentiary for the majority of them, and when they are released they can get a job as a gardener for the homeowners that they forced into all those refinances all those years. Nevermind the fact the homeonwers spent all their equity at Nordstroms, Crate and Barrell, the Pottery Barn...it's high time these mortgage borkers learn the meaning of a dollar and force them into manual labor. The Salespeople that work at all these retail stores can join the mortgage brokers too and hold the bags that they fill up with leaves and grass.
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cbathan
457 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:32:24 PM
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On One hand I feel bad that they were busted for doing a "job"
Here in Ca (Los angeles) we have folks bombard you everytime you drive into a Home Depot.... Or the lines in check cashing places are out the door.....
If they are working them let them work
BUT....
On the other hand if it said no trespass/no solicitation Then they should OBEy those signs... When I am out marketing if they have a sign posted then I dont leave anything.... BUt I do send out a post card stating that I was in the neighborhood and just wanted to say HI.... If they call me than I can go forward if not it cost me 38cents... |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:32:55 PM
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never said its ok to break laws I dont agree with, but your saying you deserve better police service than someone of a lower class because you pay high taxes, thats discrimination and also illegal
dont take the high road if you yourself are going to pick and choose laws
its a flyer not a bomb, really think about what happend there, a man could potentially go to jail for as long as a rapist if he is comvicted of the felony? is that really neccessary? |
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Scrooge McDuck
15108 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:34:11 PM
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Originally posted by rudeness
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dont speed, you fully stop at all stop signs and (not just a rolling stop) and follow all other laws (such as not spitting because believe it or not it is technically illegal to spit outdoors) no matter how stupid?
I do all of these things on a regular basis... I just don't get caught.
you are one badass dude. |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:34:43 PM
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Originally posted by Araiderfan2
randy your correct, but as annoying as spam is what do you do with it? delete it? my point is this was an arrest neccessary? just like you delete spam, throw away the flyer!
So now you think that the cops should interpet the law and decide who it does and does not apply to? Isn't that equal to better service? |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:36:38 PM
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Araiderfan2
randy your correct, but as annoying as spam is what do you do with it? delete it? my point is this was an arrest neccessary? just like you delete spam, throw away the flyer!
So now you think that the cops should interpet the law and decide who it does and does not apply to? Isn't that equal to better service?
I dont know you pay for better service so wouldnt you be able to answer your own question there  |
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Scrooge McDuck
15108 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:37:12 PM
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i feel bad for the minimum wage employees that were arrested and probably cant afford their legal fees.
but the grand boca del vista phase 3's master deed and bi-laws strictly prohibit such things! |
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2511
41 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:39:52 PM
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| It's a sad day when so many people responded to this instead of working their loans. Since it's the end of the month. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:41:13 PM
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Originally posted by dollar
Ok raiderfan, I'll bite:
How do we know it was "better police protection"? Tell me.
Do we know if these jerks had been doing their thing all over town, and the law just go caught them in a so called gated community?
Isn't it better that the cops came before someone beat the crap out of the punks?
How much business, just for arguments sake, do you think came out of this effort?
Would it be fair to guess that some fat ass broker, who wasn't making a go of it with referrals and plain ol' contacts in his part of town, hired a couple kids for a tiny wage, maybe some Bud thrown in, and hoped, pathetically that the stuffing of mailboxes would somehow bring hordes of applicants to his office or tel number?
What you you think?
I would like you take on the above.
dollar....nonraiderfan
ahh no Im not saying it was better service in this particuar instince whne I say better service Im make a reference to the following quote by rudeness "We also get a little better police service due to the various sports figures in our area... "
and honestly they probably didnt get any business out of it, I know I have never personally had any luck with direct marketing, but ive never been arrested for it either |
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Scrooge McDuck
15108 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:42:06 PM
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Originally posted by 2511
It's a sad day when so many people responded to this instead of working their loans. Since it's the end of the month.
its a sad that you think we are all so inefficient that we have to stare at our loans all day to make them close. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:42:38 PM
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Originally posted by 2511
It's a sad day when so many people responded to this instead of working their loans. Since it's the end of the month.
my months go from the 15th to the 15th, so its really my middle of the months lol so instead of working loans I can enlighten the masses with my grand wisdom (try not to chuckle at that) |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:43:37 PM
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
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Originally posted by 2511
It's a sad day when so many people responded to this instead of working their loans. Since it's the end of the month.
its a sad that you think we are all so inefficient that we have to stare at our loans all day to make them close.
ohh touche |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:45:29 PM
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| really though right or wrong whatever anyones opinion I love the outpost becase you can find answers here get a laugh or two and find some intelligent conversation (most of the time lol) |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:50:08 PM
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your saying you deserve better police service than someone of a lower class because you pay high taxes, thats discrimination and also illegal
Wake up... that's how the world operates. Who gets better police service you or Bill Gates? Who gets a better room at the hotel... you or Donald Trump? Who gets a table first you or Warren Buffett?
Like it or not money talks & BS walk's... thats the way its always been... that's the way it will always be. Guess what? You want better things in life... you have to work for them. Do your lenders put your files on the top of the underwriting stack? I know they put the top producers on top... same thing.
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:54:12 PM
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Originally posted by rudeness
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your saying you deserve better police service than someone of a lower class because you pay high taxes, thats discrimination and also illegal
Wake up... that's how the world operates. Who gets better police service you or Bill Gates? Who gets a better room at the hotel... you or Donald Trump? Who gets a table first you or Warren Buffett?
Like it or not money talks & BS walk's... thats the way its always been... that's the way it will always be. Guess what? You want better things in life... you have to work for them. Do your lenders put your files on the top of the underwriting stack? I know they put the top producers on top... same thing.
you are 100% correct! but then why shouldnt these guys have been cut a break? if police can pick and choose the laws to follow (IE income discrimination) then why cant they choose to help out a poor schmuck trying to carve out a living
the law is not black and white, and you saying it is earlier means you are a hypocrit. there are grey areas such as tampas "finest" could have said " you are tresspassing leave and dont come back" but no choose to clog our already overcrowded jails with this new "criminals" |
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Scrooge McDuck
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Posted - 02/27/2007 : 2:58:40 PM
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| if youre willing to pay out your own actual cash for better police protection, or some sort of private sercurity firm, or if you wanna pay sick RE taxes to get better police, then go for it. there is nothing wrong with that. |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
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Originally posted by 2511
It's a sad day when so many people responded to this instead of working their loans. Since it's the end of the month.
its a sad that you think we are all so inefficient that we have to stare at our loans all day to make them close.
I guess that I have been doing this all wrong... you know clear to close & signed off on a week ahead. I may have to try the last minute staring thing. |
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Araiderfan2
671 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:07:34 PM
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| well in any case its been a very interesting topic to me, but Its about time to call it a day, so good day everyone |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:10:17 PM
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you are 100% correct! but then why shouldnt these guys have been cut a break? if police can pick and choose the laws to follow (IE income discrimination) then why cant they choose to help out a poor schmuck trying to carve out a living
As I said before... I had nothing to do with it... You're trying to shoot the messenger. I don't determine who is arrested anymore than the cops determine who gets a mortgage. |
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mknight
1493 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:12:12 PM
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Originally posted by wilmar
what about those girls and the cookies!!!!!
Put them in cuffs and haul 'em off! |
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jworley
620 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:17:42 PM
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The no trespassing business aside, I think a little common sense could have been used here by all parties involved. Assuming that this was a first time thing, having the cops run them off the property would have been enough. Arresting them and trying to charge them with a felony is just overkill. Now if they keep coming back after being warned, then well they've made their bed, so let them lay in it.
I mean if you get right down to it, trespassing or not, I would rather see guys out trying to earn a living instead of sitting on their butts living on welfare. |
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LoanDiva03
358 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:27:48 PM
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Oh I have so tried to stay out of this thread but I just can't help myself.
If I buy a home in a gated community (which I am planning to do, btw), I'm already paying xtra for that feature, *and* I get to pay association dues every month for the privilege of being in a gated community and salespeople show up, yeah I am gonna be majorly ticked off.
I mean wtf am i paying all this xtra $ for except not to be bugged by salespeople in the privacy of my own home.
Send me all the direct mailers you wish.
But do not stick flyers in my mailbox or on my windshield.
As someone who spends a fortune for 1st class postage every yr for farming, I am also ticked off at those sleazes who think they can get away w/sticking their ads in postal boxes for free. There actually are penalties for that.
I don't know that prison time is in order but then I also don't know the history of these guys, perhaps there were other issues we don't know about? Other complaints? Old warrants? Who knows.
But heck yeah, I'd be angry too. |
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dubois
86 Posts |
Posted - 02/27/2007 : 3:38:48 PM
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| Ok, from the direction of the responses it sounded like most are men, let me give you a woman's prospective of the flyer issue. I live in a gated community with no solicitation. I live there for one reason, SECURITY. Whose to say these guys weren't going door to door with flyers to see if a young girl or woman was home alone that they could victimize?? Or an elderly couple they could take advantage of. I pay for that security. I didn't "come" from money, I worked my behind off to be able to afford it. If the guys were legit and hard working, well they should have read the signs at the gate. |
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