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djorge44
4454 Posts |
 Posted - 02/09/2010 : 06:16:32 AM
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Maybe I am crazy but this seems to be a common sense immigration law.
Australia will actually move people who SPEAK THE LANGUAGE and HAVE THE SKILLS THEY NEED ahead of non-English speaking immigrants.
They decided letting in people who don't speak English is actually not as preferable to immigrants who can ASSIMILATE.
Open door for skilled, English-speaking migrants
Article from: The Courier-Mail
By Renee Viellaris
February 08, 2010 12:00am
SMARTER, English-speaking migrants who want to work in Australia will jump the queue under a major immigration shake-up to be announced today.
And about 20,000 migrants who have applied for work visas will be denied entry and refunded $14 million in application fees because their English is not good enough.
Immigration Minister Chris Evans will outline a new direction for the skilled migration program, complementing the economic strategies of the states, and helping big businessmen such as mining magnate Clive Palmer get the skilled labour needed to roll out billion-dollar investments.
It will allow Queensland to broaden its ability to migrant head-hunt, plus show the Commonwealth under new state-based migration plans where it has brain drains and vocational weaknesses.
Arguing that the reforms would end the "deli-counter dispensing" system, where migrants were "served" in an "order", Senator Evans will reveal the scrapping of a labour-shortage list that includes cooks and hairdressers and a loophole making it easier for overseas students to remain permanently in Australia will be tightened.
"(The Migration Occupations in Demand list) encouraged overseas students to train in particular occupations to make it easier to acquire permanent residence, in the process skewing the skilled migration program to a narrow set of occupation," Senator Evans will tell the Australia Demographic and Social Research Institute. "It is worth noting that the changes will in no way impact on the many international students coming to Australia to gain a qualification and return home.
"A 2006 survey of new migrants found that 18 months after acquiring permanent residence half of those who came in via MODL were employed in that occupation but a third of them were either unemployed or working in an unskilled job."
About 170,000 people applied to live and work in Australia as a skilled migrant last year, but only 108,100 were selected. The migrants who will be rejected applied to come to Australia before standards were raised in 2007.
A new targeted list of professions will be introduced mid-year and the "points" system re-evaluated with the potential for more weight to be placed on English as a first language and qualifications acquired from top overseas universities.
Senator Evans said under the current scheme a Rhodes scholar could be rejected for a visa, while cooks and hairdressers could expedite the path to permanent residency through training courses.
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 06:26:32 AM
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i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something. |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 06:47:34 AM
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me! |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 06:51:25 AM
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it happens every day. no worries.
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
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djorge44
4454 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:03:55 AM
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Scrooge, I just feel that an effort should be made to actually speak the language.
Additionally, I think getting into the US as a citizen (or just a green card issued worker) should be like applying for college. If they don't have the prerequisite skills needed for out labor force, then there is no reason to have them come into the country. Especially when unemployment is so high for Americans. Lets keep the jobs available for our citizens and if in the future there is a need for more workers in a profession, we can then recruit (like colleges recruit top talent). |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:14:22 AM
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what language exactly? the official language, or the defacto language?
personally, i wish we all spoke that click and popping noise language they speak in Africa.
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Originally posted by djorge44
Scrooge, I just feel that an effort should be made to actually speak the language.
Additionally, I think getting into the US as a citizen (or just a green card issued worker) should be like applying for college. If they don't have the prerequisite skills needed for out labor force, then there is no reason to have them come into the country. Especially when unemployment is so high for Americans. Lets keep the jobs available for our citizens and if in the future there is a need for more workers in a profession, we can then recruit (like colleges recruit top talent).
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:18:18 AM
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| am i the only one that likes going to China Town and the North End? or going to the Brazilian part of town to eat and watch soccer? |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:29:22 AM
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darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:31:23 AM
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If they have a means of support(job when they get here) and do it legally, I don't care if they don't talk at all as long as they don't need my money to help them find their way here...Those arriving with no prospects for employment and don't speak the language will have a tougher time finding a job and will have a higher likelihood of ending up on govt assistance, I'm against that...No immigrating, hoping you find the dream and if not, oh well, on the govt doll crap after putting nothing into the system...We have enough people that paid in $20 to SS and have collected tens of thousands in benefits...
>>>http://failblog.org/2010/02/09/news-fail-4/
Too funny! |
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homebroker@sbcgl
9092 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 07:37:12 AM
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| Learning a language is not as hard as one might think. Europeans often speak two or three languages, not uncommon to speak even more. IN Croatia in the resort cities on the Adriatic sea to work in tourism you must speak German, Italian, English, Croatian and often Russian as well. The guy taking your money at the gas station speaks 4-5 languages fluent! |
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djorge44
4454 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 08:13:40 AM
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
am i the only one that likes going to China Town and the North End? or going to the Brazilian part of town to eat and watch soccer?
Scrooge, I lived in Inman Square in Cambridge (for 5+ years) where Portuguese is definitely the official language. Loved it but most of the people there spoke English as well (and it helps).
There are sections of Tampa where people do not speak English at all. |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 08:41:51 AM
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but somehow it all works.
i love going to Eastie and eating spanish food with the smokinest hottest spanish chick ever taking my order. they never speak english, and i dont care. as long as she comes back to me with my Heineken, and my Columbian Typical Plate (the number 9 and i order by holding up 9 fingers and pointing at the Heineken in the fridge), i am good to go.
DS, said it best though. im not for shelling out dough to support their dream of making it here. but i just dont car if they speak English or not. i dont.
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Originally posted by djorge44
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
am i the only one that likes going to China Town and the North End? or going to the Brazilian part of town to eat and watch soccer?
Scrooge, I lived in Inman Square in Cambridge (for 5+ years) where Portuguese is definitely the official language. Loved it but most of the people there spoke English as well (and it helps).
There are sections of Tampa where people do not speak English at all.
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djorge44
4454 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 09:10:51 AM
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Scrooge, limiting future immigration is not going to affect many of those already here. Cambridge is not going to get less Brasilian and Portuguese, there are not going to be less Haitians in Somerville.
FYI: I am going to Cartagena Colombia tomorrow and can't wait for the 'hot' Colombian females. |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 09:22:07 AM
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i want my grand kids to be able to order from a non-english speaking Spanish hottie too!
have fun in Columbia. that should be a blast. my count down to Playa Del Carmen has started. cant wait. ive already started tanning, just to be safe and in 8 short minutes in the booth, i got a burn. im glad i got it out of the way now.
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Originally posted by djorge44
Scrooge, limiting future immigration is not going to affect many of those already here. Cambridge is not going to get less Brasilian and Portuguese, there are not going to be less Haitians in Somerville.
FYI: I am going to Cartagena Colombia tomorrow and can't wait for the 'hot' Colombian females.
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djorge44
4454 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 10:04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i want my grand kids to be able to order from a non-english speaking Spanish hottie too!
have fun in Columbia. that should be a blast. my count down to Playa Del Carmen has started. cant wait. ive already started tanning, just to be safe and in 8 short minutes in the booth, i got a burn. im glad i got it out of the way now.
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Originally posted by djorge44
Scrooge, limiting future immigration is not going to affect many of those already here. Cambridge is not going to get less Brasilian and Portuguese, there are not going to be less Haitians in Somerville.
FYI: I am going to Cartagena Colombia tomorrow and can't wait for the 'hot' Colombian females.
Ha, I am tanning too (and live in Florida). It has been so gray all winter here. |
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Jonas
1592 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 1:52:09 PM
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http://www.physorg.com/news184916311.html
Many of our arguments here are/will be pointless. |
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CreditRepGal
3078 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 4:25:08 PM
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| Don't even get me started..... |
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CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 4:36:41 PM
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| I really do not care about the language just as long as immigrants are not destined to be on the public dole. When I was building and renovating houses in Connecticut, some of my favorite contractors were Portuguese who could barely speak a word of English but they knew how to frame and cast a concrete foundation with just a few drawings. Peoples' language skills and their work ethic are not always tied. I know a lot of very lazy white people who speak perfect English. |
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CreditRepGal
3078 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 4:43:18 PM
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| Do you think it's fair that our schools are sometimes overwhelmed with students who can't speak english? DO you know how that impacts the children that do? Language should have a place in our imigration system. Even if the parents are working the children not speaking english even a little do slow down the rest of the class, soak up more resources and take up more of the teachers time. |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 02/09/2010 : 4:47:23 PM
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I am against bi-lingual education. Teach in English only and those who cannot speak it will learn it. No different than taking an immersion class in French. Some immigrants have done that for many many years.
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
Do you think it's fair that our schools are sometimes overwhelmed with students who can't speak english? DO you know how that impacts the children that do? Language should have a place in our imigration system. Even if the parents are working the children not speaking english even a little do slow down the rest of the class, soak up more resources and take up more of the teachers time.
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MisterVA
9254 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2010 : 5:51:28 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
what language exactly? the official language, or the defacto language?
personally, i wish we all spoke that click and popping noise language they speak in Africa.
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Originally posted by djorge44
Scrooge, I just feel that an effort should be made to actually speak the language.
Additionally, I think getting into the US as a citizen (or just a green card issued worker) should be like applying for college. If they don't have the prerequisite skills needed for out labor force, then there is no reason to have them come into the country. Especially when unemployment is so high for Americans. Lets keep the jobs available for our citizens and if in the future there is a need for more workers in a profession, we can then recruit (like colleges recruit top talent).
Like in The Gods Must Be Crazy? |
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nw@8brook
774 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 11:07:02 AM
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| if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record. |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 11:11:05 AM
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
Who the hell wants to live in Canada? |
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homebroker@sbcgl
9092 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 12:00:51 PM
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Smart way to attract a higher class individuals that can create jobs and a tax base.
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 12:08:03 PM
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we had a glue factory blow up not too far from my house. they explosion took out a whole neighborhood. the factory reopened in Canada because of this and other tax incentives. the owner wanted to get out of here.
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Smart way to attract a higher class individuals that can create jobs and a tax base.
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
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velecico
6403 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 12:33:17 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 2:57:49 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season! |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 2:59:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
we had a glue factory blow up not too far from my house. they explosion took out a whole neighborhood. the factory reopened in Canada because of this and other tax incentives. the owner wanted to get out of here.
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Smart way to attract a higher class individuals that can create jobs and a tax base.
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
Sounds like a sticky situation. |
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CreditRepGal
3078 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 3:13:57 PM
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That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 3:56:48 PM
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here. |
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Scrooge McDuck
16638 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 4:34:07 PM
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i agree with you on the fence and shooting them and everything, but im curious, what is "our language?"
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
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CreditRepGal
3078 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 4:43:10 PM
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We speak American.. there are several different variations of it and although the native Americans were here first and spoke a different language, even their primary language is now American English. I didn't migrate here. I was born here as the majority of all US citizens were. The excuse that English was not started here does not mean that everyone not born here shouldn't do what they can to become an American if they want to live here. Becoming an American should consist of being able to communicate with people here and not costing the country money to adhere to your inabilities to want to learn. I would never move to France and not try to learn French. I wouldn't move to China and whine about not understanding the language. Countries are conquered and taken over. That was how it was 100's of years ago. Today those people no longer exist however those of us who do and were born here all speak American English.
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i agree with you on the fence and shooting them and everything, but im curious, what is "our language?"
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/10/2010 : 4:58:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i agree with you on the fence and shooting them and everything, but im curious, what is "our language?"
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
Our language is the one spoken by the vast majority of citizens and the one that we conduct business in... ENGLISH! |
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homer5
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Posted - 02/10/2010 : 5:38:18 PM
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Of course the United States doesn't have an official language. However, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, all current laws and statutes are in English. English is the defacto language of the United States.
A language ties the people who speak it together. It's an important ingredient in the melting pot recipe. Unfortunately however, we have trended away from the melting pot that has worked so well for us in exchange for a salad. A mixture of ingredients that do NOT take on the characteristics of the other ingredients. A melting pot is like a stew. The ingredients become one and inseparable.
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i agree with you on the fence and shooting them and everything, but im curious, what is "our language?"
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
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nw@8brook
774 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 09:36:10 AM
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that was the key. We are sitting on a high horse saying "our citizenships are not for sale". Anyone here been to montreal, toronto or vancouver the last 15-20 yrs? A overwhelming influx of Asians, at least $250 large for every single family. Aussie has the same policy but requires less investment.
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Smart way to attract a higher class individuals that can create jobs and a tax base.
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
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miramar
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Posted - 02/11/2010 : 10:39:13 AM
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English is our language. Has been for a couple hundred years now. It is not really a question. As for immigration, until we get unemployment and welfare under control, shut down the borders for anyone that is moving here that does not have a business to bring, assets that are not currently available in the U.S., or substantial financial assets. It really should not be a question. As for the people here illegally, send them home. I will gladly pay an additional tax to man our borders, especially the southern ones, with armed border patrols. I will not support ANY charges against border guards for shooting or physical violence. They are employees of the American people given the charge to protect our borders from INVADERS.
I have seen my last tax return for non-citiznes claiming children on their tax returns as exemptions that do not live in the United States. Take all of the jobs currently being held by illegals and post them at the welfare and unemployment office with a notice that if you are qualified for these positions, your benefits will end in 4 weeks.
If you are not creating jobs, you are not welcome. If you are here illegally, you are not welcome. If you can not afford your own interpretor, you are not welcome. If you are not paying your share of taxes, you are not welcome. If you are committing identity theft, you are not welcome. I don't care how tasty your food is, don't let the door hit you on your butt on the way out. |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 11:48:05 AM
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
that was the key. We are sitting on a high horse saying "our citizenships are not for sale". Anyone here been to montreal, toronto or vancouver the last 15-20 yrs? A overwhelming influx of Asians, at least $250 large for every single family. Aussie has the same policy but requires less investment.
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Smart way to attract a higher class individuals that can create jobs and a tax base.
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Originally posted by nw@8brook
if you invest the equivalent of US $250k in canada for business operations, they'll let you and your family immigrate to canada, providing you and your family don't have a criminal record.
I believe the US also has this policy. |
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velecico
6403 Posts |
Posted - 02/14/2010 : 4:12:30 PM
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
yet you support ilegals , by your admission you have a Salvadorian iron your shirts
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homebroker@sbcgl
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Posted - 02/14/2010 : 7:31:07 PM
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Yes and no, on a national level no, due to the fact each state is sovereign and can make their own laws. That said many states do in fact have English as the official language.
Like traffic tickets, it is up to states to make their own policy or driving rules. Just because the Federal level does not have traffic laws, it does not mean USA does not have traffic laws, only they don't have on a national level.
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Originally posted by homer5
Of course the United States doesn't have an official language.
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2010 : 2:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
That was a jaw dropper... even for you!
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by velecico
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by Scrooge McDuck
i really don't care if someone can speak the language. it doesn't bother me at all. all people should have their chance here in the US, no matter how prepared, or what stage in life they are at.
my goal would be to get as many people in here through legal means as possible. and thats about it.
i think that we should even give illegals a chance to get their citizenship by way of filing tax returns. i think that if they can manage to file 3 years in a row worth of taxes without getting arrested, busted, or booted, then a social security number should be issued, and they get to stay. if they get caught and booted because they are illegals, we deduct a point. i know its not perfect, but its something.
And to think I thought you were intelligent. I guess you fooled me!
I guess your idea to build a fence is better
Not only build a fence, but defend our country as the constitution allows and shoot every little beaner that tries to climb over, dig under or swim around it!
If they can't be bothered to speak our language or obey our laws... Fucck em it's open season!
Sorry but I'm finished with the bullshiit! We have been used, abused and disrespected by these ****in foreigners for long enough. I'm tired of their refusal to speak our language and obey our laws, but most of all I'm sick & tired of supporting a bunch of illegal deadbeats.
I would much more prefer to pay an extra buck for my lettuce, than an extra 10% of my income to support them while they pick the lettuce. Of course they do this under the table, so they can send the money back home. And don't anyone give me the "but they pay taxes" line of crap. NO THEY DON'T!
If they don't have skills we can use and the abilty to speak English, then they need to make their home country a better place, instead of coming here to fucck up ours! It cracks me up that they have no skills and won't learn our language, but they think it's their right to ignore our laws and take our money, while destroying our neighborhoods.
Everyone enjoy the hot chick that don't spic no english and the hundred billion dollar chulupa. After all it's your tax money that's paying her bills. Well at least it's tax money from some of the people here.
yet you support ilegals , by your admission you have a Salvadorian iron your shirts
hypocrite
Well then I'll just fire your mother and you can support her. She does a shiit job of ironing anyways! |
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assassin17
9055 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2010 : 3:53:11 PM
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My main problem is the cost of trying to be bilingual. America has screwed up royally by not declaring English as the official language. This leads to people arguing for the "right" to have bilingual materials and printing everywhere.
The cost of that is enormous, so the more that people refuse to adapt and learn the language, the more of a tax burden they become to all. It is extremely annoying to have to read Spanish everywhere I go and filter through to find what I need, knowing full well that I was born here into a land that speaks English. My Spanish isn't that great, and I really don't understand why I, a natural-born citizen here, will need to learn it everywhere I go as English signs are disappearing. |
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rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2010 : 4:57:42 PM
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Originally posted by assassin17
My main problem is the cost of trying to be bilingual. America has screwed up royally by not declaring English as the official language. This leads to people arguing for the "right" to have bilingual materials and printing everywhere.
The cost of that is enormous, so the more that people refuse to adapt and learn the language, the more of a tax burden they become to all. It is extremely annoying to have to read Spanish everywhere I go and filter through to find what I need, knowing full well that I was born here into a land that speaks English. My Spanish isn't that great, and I really don't understand why I, a natural-born citizen here, will need to learn it everywhere I go as English signs are disappearing.
Don't worry... Mandarin Chinese will be our "official language" before long. |
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Jonas
1592 Posts |
Posted - 02/18/2010 : 10:18:34 AM
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This is Wisconsin you're talking about? I'm in SoCal and get by just fine.
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Originally posted by assassin17
My main problem is the cost of trying to be bilingual. America has screwed up royally by not declaring English as the official language. This leads to people arguing for the "right" to have bilingual materials and printing everywhere.
The cost of that is enormous, so the more that people refuse to adapt and learn the language, the more of a tax burden they become to all. It is extremely annoying to have to read Spanish everywhere I go and filter through to find what I need, knowing full well that I was born here into a land that speaks English. My Spanish isn't that great, and I really don't understand why I, a natural-born citizen here, will need to learn it everywhere I go as English signs are disappearing.
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benjamin
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Posted - 02/18/2010 : 11:48:45 AM
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Legal immigration has worked for a hundred or so years.
The language is English.
I don't care if Juan or Eric swam across the Rio Grande or the Saint Lawrence Seaway. Illegal is exactly what it means. Send them back, take away all their illgotten means. |
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