| Author |
Previous Topic | Next Topic |
VVance
5700 Posts |
 Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:00:30 PM
|
Complete with all the things the President said were not in the bill.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/senate-crucial-vote/ |
|
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:09:16 PM
|
| I hope it doesn't get past the debate. These idiots better get a clue and quick. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:11:35 PM
|
| This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form. |
|
|
1stintegritymort
2605 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:18:00 PM
|
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
|
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:22:57 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:27:52 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen. |
|
|
darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:33:14 PM
|
| The ones voting yes and stating it's only to move it forward aren't fooling anyone, once in debate you need 60 votes to change a word, it'll be an all or nothing gig from there... |
|
|
VVance
5700 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:34:56 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen.
Procedurally, the vote to allow debate needed the 60 votes. In order to pass, a simple majority could be used. |
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:48:41 PM
|
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
|
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:51:23 PM
|
| For a bunch of people who only recently were very confident that healthacare reform is dead, you are all seeming worried now. WTF is going on ... I thought that you all had an inside connection? |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:52:18 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by VVance
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen.
Procedurally, the vote to allow debate needed the 60 votes. In order to pass, a simple majority could be used.
Not gonna happen and if it does what do you think will happen after the voters throw the Dem majority out of office? |
|
|
VVance
5700 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 2:59:44 PM
|
Anyone who understands this legislation in it's current form, and is supportive of it, is either a moron or a Marxist, not to mention a Racist. Why Racist? Government funding of abortion. Any idea what segment of the population has the highest percentage of abortions?
This is NOT REFORM. This is a GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER. Welcome to Amerika! |
|
|
1stintegritymort
2605 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 3:21:42 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by VVance
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen.
Procedurally, the vote to allow debate needed the 60 votes. In order to pass, a simple majority could be used.
Not gonna happen and if it does what do you think will happen after the voters throw the Dem majority out of office?
You are correct. If it does pass, it won't take effect until 2014. That is a long time away. Enough time for the Reps to reclaim the majority and vote a new President in office. At that point, all they would have done is collected money and not offered any of the services. They could easily repeal the Bill and put a new one in place. That is also assuming Hussein Obama has not done any more damage to this country. I would not put it past him. If this passes, then we have the cap and trade to worry about. MORE TAXES!!! Oh, and one other stimulus Bill that went under the radar is the new "Cash for Caulkers". What a brilliant idea to use taxpayer money. SPEND, SPEND, SPEND some more. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 3:44:07 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
For a bunch of people who only recently were very confident that healthacare reform is dead, you are all seeming worried now. WTF is going on ... I thought that you all had an inside connection?
I don't see anyone worried and I don't see where this has taken any other but the expected path. I stand by my previous statements that this bill will never be signed into law in any form resembling its current one. I am confident enough in this to renew my bet to you of $1,000, that you were to chicken shiit to take the last time. Put up or shut up! |
|
|
toddblue
4918 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 4:21:13 PM
|
If it does make it past debate, think of the platform they hand to the Republicans to run on in 2010 and 2012.
If it does pass, it can still be undone before it goes into effect. I would vote for the candidate that swears to undo this monstrosity. |
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 4:29:02 PM
|
| It would be political suicide for alot of the ayes |
|
|
Mandyvilla
7736 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 4:38:55 PM
|
| Over 2000 pages in the Senate, unread, and over 2000 in the House, mostly unread......not to mention the little side-step they pulled w/ the states' responsibilities. Once some seniors wake up and realize what happened, they'll add to the majority that are against the bill. So, it passes in the Senate. It goes back to committee to blend the two bills....that are complete opposites of each other. While it's in committee, more of Harry Reid's fun and games will come to light as those 2000 pages are read. It's not over yet. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 4:52:47 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mandyvilla
Over 2000 pages in the Senate, unread, and over 2000 in the House, mostly unread......not to mention the little side-step they pulled w/ the states' responibilities. Once some seniors wake up and realize what happened, they'll add to the majority that are against the bill. So, it passes in the Senate. It goes back to committee to blend the two bills....that are complete opposites of each other. While it's in committee, more of Harry Reid's fun and games will come to light as those 2000 pages are read. It's not over yet.
It will never pass the Senate. They are funding a great portion of this scam with nearly a half trillion dollars cut from senior benefits. The Senate has never been able to cut so much as $20 billion in senior benefits despite several attempts. What do you think the chances are they will vote to cut nearly $500 billion? |
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 5:30:52 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
You are so unAmerican. I think you should be sent to Mexico. |
|
|
frank drigotas j
5613 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 5:37:16 PM
|
Saturday,November 21, around 8:15 pm:
the US Senate voted to consider/debate the health care reform bill, an event that many here swore over the last several months would never happen.
Apart from the merits of the bill, I think of all the Senators who will become more wealthy during the ensuing deliberations.
dollar |
|
|
darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 5:42:50 PM
|
| "A government divided against itself cannot stand" |
|
|
frank drigotas j
5613 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 5:51:21 PM
|
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar |
|
|
Gabriels
539 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 6:21:33 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
"mark my word"
That and a DOLLAR will get you a cup of coffee. |
|
|
homer5
3561 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 6:44:55 PM
|
| Sound the battle cry of next year! Repeal it in 2010!!! A slumbering giant is being awaken. |
|
|
craigppls
2477 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:07:31 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
I hope so... The more private insurance screams the better I like the reforms.
The right just wants their gravy train left alone...
Private insurance is only good if you don't get sick. We had insurance til the insurance decided my kid's life was worth more dead, so they dropped us. Thankfully it didn't work out they way The insurance company wanted.
Till someone has to deal with this, you have no idea. We were lucky we fought back and won it only took 12 years. |
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:16:11 PM
|
Stop trying to sound like a philosopher ... you sound stupid.
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
"A government divided against itself cannot stand"
|
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:18:28 PM
|
Who the heck are you to say ... you unamerican and unpatriotic worm.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
You are so unAmerican. I think you should be sent to Mexico.
|
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:20:55 PM
|
You really should exit the political prediction business as you have been wrong 100% of the time and on top of that, you don't know what you are talking about. Stick to sucking on your teabags.
quote:
Originally posted by Mandyvilla
Over 2000 pages in the Senate, unread, and over 2000 in the House, mostly unread......not to mention the little side-step they pulled w/ the states' responsibilities. Once some seniors wake up and realize what happened, they'll add to the majority that are against the bill. So, it passes in the Senate. It goes back to committee to blend the two bills....that are complete opposites of each other. While it's in committee, more of Harry Reid's fun and games will come to light as those 2000 pages are read. It's not over yet.
|
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:23:47 PM
|
Still trying to have it both ways I see. You said that it is never going to happen ... having doubts as usual?
... and the beat goes on ...
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by VVance
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen.
Procedurally, the vote to allow debate needed the 60 votes. In order to pass, a simple majority could be used.
Not gonna happen and if it does what do you think will happen after the voters throw the Dem majority out of office?
|
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:28:55 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Who the heck are you to say ... you unamerican and unpatriotic worm.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
You are so unAmerican. I think you should be sent to Mexico.
It's a matter of my opinion that you are. Are you always in a rage? You are an obama a-- kissing schlep. Your posts are fried. |
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:32:43 PM
|
... be happy in your brainless existence.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Who the heck are you to say ... you unamerican and unpatriotic worm.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
You are so unAmerican. I think you should be sent to Mexico.
It's a matter of my opinion that you are. Are you always in a rage? You are an obama a-- kissing schlep. Your posts are fried.
|
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 7:38:42 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
... be happy in your brainless existence.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Who the heck are you to say ... you unamerican and unpatriotic worm.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I think that Texas should be kicked out of the union and handed back to Mexico.
quote:
Originally posted by paulsof1
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
If it does pass, Texas should secede. I would move in a heartbeat.
You are so unAmerican. I think you should be sent to Mexico.
It's a matter of my opinion that you are. Are you always in a rage? You are an obama a-- kissing schlep. Your posts are fried.
It is quite brainless reading your idiotic BS. |
|
|
darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 8:02:13 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Stop trying to sound like a philosopher ... you sound stupid.
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
"A government divided against itself cannot stand"
Better to sound it than prove it with every post like yourself... |
|
|
VVance
5700 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 8:21:09 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by craigppls
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
I hope so... The more private insurance screams the better I like the reforms.
The right just wants their gravy train left alone...
Private insurance is only good if you don't get sick. We had insurance til the insurance decided my kid's life was worth more dead, so they dropped us. Thankfully it didn't work out they way The insurance company wanted.
Till someone has to deal with this, you have no idea. We were lucky we fought back and won it only took 12 years.
It's a horrible piece of Legislation. The kind of situation you describe is likely to be repeated tenfold under Government.
You just don't realize what kind of long term damage this legislation is going to inflict upon what's left of our economy. Will Government Health Care cover all the new homeless this legislation is going to produce? Will it cover the cost of food for the increasing number of poor people it's going to create?
What about the shortage of Doctors this bill is going to create?
I see Government coming in and fixing Health Care kind of like they've come in to fix our industry.
|
|
|
assassin17
9055 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 8:35:02 PM
|
They're not going to let anyone secede, but we can still perform a mass exodus. I wonder if Canada would be interested in taking on millions of industrious hard workers, inventors and businesses to help build them into the next superpower, in return for them to stop trying to become USA Lite.
Seriously, is this worth it anymore? Everyone hates us, our government doesn't care about anyone, all we do is argue with and shoot each other. Perhaps the working class should leave and just let the upper and lower-class leeches fondle each other and finish what they've started.
Nobody hates Canada, it's peaceful, plenty of room to build for new people. Maybe it's just time to move on. This unstoppable monster called the US government, it just doesn't work anymore. It doesn't listen to anyone, there's no real debate or compromise. Worst of all, there is zero attempt to ever get something done correctly.
It's just a punchline now. Let's just admit it... It's over. The "USA" experiment has failed. We are completely divided. |
|
|
1stintegritymort
2605 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 8:36:48 PM
|
This is the Hussein Obama way. It is the first step to socialism. Remember, the Gov't is in the real estate business. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac started a Deed For Lease Program. The Gov't will own a ton of properties. So many in fact, that it could be used for Section 8 Housing down the road. Redistribute the wealth. Tax the wealthy even more and use it for Entitlement Programs. Keep the Food Stamps, Unemployment, and Welfare at full speed. Before you know it, soon they will be paying for your kids college tuition. Let's nationalize Education while we're at. Don't worry about the shortage of doctors. The new Death Panels will determine who is deemed more important in providing services. The older you are, the longer you will have to wait. Let's help the younger healthy people first since they are expected to live longer. The estimated 30 million uninsured will be first in line for a physical. Just book a year or two ahead and you should be ok. If you have an emergency, just call an ambulance and they will take you right to the hospital. At least it will be free right? Oh that's right. You just pay higher taxes, but it doesn't cost you anything.
[/quote]
It's a horrible piece of Legislation. The kind of situation you describe is likely to be repeated tenfold under Government.
You just don't realize what kind of long term damage this legislation is going to inflict upon what's left of our economy. Will Government Health Care cover all the new homeless this legislation is going to produce? Will it cover the cost of food for the increasing number of poor people it's going to create?
What about the shortage of Doctors this bill is going to create?
I see Government coming in and fixing Health Care kind of like they've come in to fix our industry.
[/quote] |
|
|
Tsnyder
11523 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2009 : 8:52:28 PM
|
quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
They're not going to let anyone secede, but we can still perform a mass exodus. I wonder if Canada would be interested in taking on millions of industrious hard workers, inventors and businesses to help build them into the next superpower, in return for them to stop trying to become USA Lite.
Seriously, is this worth it anymore? Everyone hates us, our government doesn't care about anyone, all we do is argue with and shoot each other. Perhaps the working class should leave and just let the upper and lower-class leeches fondle each other and finish what they've started.
Nobody hates Canada, it's peaceful, plenty of room to build for new people. Maybe it's just time to move on. This unstoppable monster called the US government, it just doesn't work anymore. It doesn't listen to anyone, there's no real debate or compromise. Worst of all, there is zero attempt to ever get something done correctly.
It's just a punchline now. Let's just admit it... It's over. The "USA" experiment has failed. We are completely divided.
Vancouver is very nice.
Tsnyder |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 05:35:25 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by craigppls
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
I hope so... The more private insurance screams the better I like the reforms.
The right just wants their gravy train left alone...
Private insurance is only good if you don't get sick. We had insurance til the insurance decided my kid's life was worth more dead, so they dropped us. Thankfully it didn't work out they way The insurance company wanted.
Till someone has to deal with this, you have no idea. We were lucky we fought back and won it only took 12 years.
You're full of shiit! |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 05:40:21 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Still trying to have it both ways I see. You said that it is never going to happen ... having doubts as usual?
... and the beat goes on ...
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by VVance
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
I disagree. I think it will pass in its current form. They might make some amendments, but the general underlying plan will still prevail. Tax, tax, tax. Keep those taxes coming in for 4-5 years and then offer healthcare in 2014. You collect 10 years of taxes for 5 years of coverage. It won't work. We can't afford it.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
This was not unexpected in the least and does not mean that government healthcare is here at all. I am 100% AGAINST the plans that have been rolled out, but I am 100% FOR debate on the subject. The system has to be fixed and blocking debate would insure that it never will be. I really don't think that it has a Cspats chance in grade school of passing, in anything resembling its current form.
Like I said... it doesn't have a Cspats chance in grade school of passing. It will never happen in its current form. Hell they are barely able to get the votes they need to even discuss it and that might not even happen.
Procedurally, the vote to allow debate needed the 60 votes. In order to pass, a simple majority could be used.
Not gonna happen and if it does what do you think will happen after the voters throw the Dem majority out of office?
I have no doubts, but obviously you do. If you don't... prove it and take my bet! You crack me up, everyone knew that there was a good chance it would pass at this stage, which is nothing more than an agreement to talk about it, but you act like it's a done deal effective at midnight. Go buy yourself a clue already.
|
|
|
assassin17
9055 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 06:23:34 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Let me know when you're moving to canada and give me heads up.
Nope. You guys are on your own. I'm not sharing the wealth. |
|
|
darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 06:28:28 AM
|
>>>>I have no doubts, but obviously you do. If you don't... prove it and take my bet! You crack me up, everyone knew that there was a good chance it would pass at this stage, which is nothing more than an agreement to talk about it, but you act like it's a done deal effective at midnight. Go buy yourself a clue already.
Some people just can't wait to pay MORE...
"Mr Obama, America has spoken and it said we have too much money in our savings, we demand to pay more NOW!" |
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 07:30:50 AM
|
Not to worry. The plan calls for cutting Medicare by 12.5% and raising taxes right away, but doesn't actually provide any medical insurance for anyone until 2014. It will drop job losses higher.
The Democrats took control of our Congress 1933 , during the Depression and have been had control of Congress for 63 of the past 77 years. They are responsible for Social Security, for Medicare, for the Community Reinvestment Act, for the state and prohibitive costs of public education- for every major government power grab that has occurred in America in the past 100 years.
The arrogance, power grabbing and dismissive attitude of the Obama administration and this Pelosi/Reid Congress is symptomatic of people who believe they are all powerful and unstoppable.
They aren't-we as a people are. Even if they pass this monster bill- it can be repealed by the new representatives we vote in to replace these jackwads. Bring on 2010. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 07:56:46 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
Yea...and you're the guy that believes the Civil War never happened or in denial of it's outcome! Texas seceding only a complete idiot would come up with such a ridiculous notion! How treasonous are you?
Treason and secession or not even close to the same thing. |
|
|
paulsof1
1436 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:00:04 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
Yea...and you're the guy that believes the Civil War never happened or in denial of it's outcome! Texas seceding only a complete idiot would come up with such a ridiculous notion! How treasonous are you?
You again prove to be clueless. |
|
|
1stintegritymort
2605 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:35:00 AM
|
Actually, if you took the time to research it, you would have found out that Texas and California both have a secessionist movement. California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Texas is one of the fastest growing and are the 15th largest economy in the world. Where would the U.S be if both State Governments exercised their Constitutional rights to leave The Union? It could happen if the people in those States want it to happen.
quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
Yea...and you're the guy that believes the Civil War never happened or in denial of it's outcome! Texas seceding only a complete idiot would come up with such a ridiculous notion! How treasonous are you?
|
|
|
craigppls
2477 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:42:56 AM
|
Fool, I've told my family's history with our health insurance when my oldest daughter got sick at 16 months old on BO before.
My kid was racking up days in the ped ICU at Cedar Sinai. At over 20k per day, plus more MRI and CT scans than I can count, add in the brain surgeon. So the insurance company made up a bull**** reason stop paying and to drop us.
The reason... When she was first sick, their doctor gave us a choice of two hospitals to transfer her too. Huntington M. in Pasadena or Cedars... Both are approved hospitals for the insurance. We picked Cedars so their doctor made the arangements. Insurance approved all the bills til the day they did the math. Then they said we went to cedars without their approval, was the reason for them to drop us. Their doc got their approval for cedars...which is why after years in court and they could no longer stall because the judge finally had enough of them changing legal teams and pulling out every BS stall they could think of. The amount of discovery was mind blowing...
Cedars was great and saved my kid's life...5 yrs of twice a week trips to their cancer center for IV treatments.
It finally worked and now she is a 10 days from turning 22 and completely fine.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by craigppls
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
I hope so... The more private insurance screams the better I like the reforms.
The right just wants their gravy train left alone...
Private insurance is only good if you don't get sick. We had insurance til the insurance decided my kid's life was worth more dead, so they dropped us. Thankfully it didn't work out they way The insurance company wanted.
Till someone has to deal with this, you have no idea. We were lucky we fought back and won it only took 12 years.
You're full of shiit!
|
|
|
craigppls
2477 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:46:41 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Canadians have wealth? what wealth.. why are bunch of canadians moving down here?!??!
quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Let me know when you're moving to canada and give me heads up.
Nope. You guys are on your own. I'm not sharing the wealth.
as you get older and you have money... The cold gets harder to live with... |
|
|
craigppls
2477 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 08:51:32 AM
|
I've lived here my whole life... Secession never ran into any of them. Now you do hear from the split the state in two groups every once in a while.
quote:
Originally posted by 1stintegritymortgage
Actually, if you took the time to research it, you would have found out that Texas and California both have a secessionist movement. California has the 6th largest economy in the world. Texas is one of the fastest growing and are the 15th largest economy in the world. Where would the U.S be if both State Governments exercised their Constitutional rights to leave The Union? It could happen if the people in those States want it to happen.
quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
Yea...and you're the guy that believes the Civil War never happened or in denial of it's outcome! Texas seceding only a complete idiot would come up with such a ridiculous notion! How treasonous are you?
|
|
|
darkstar
30830 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 09:36:19 AM
|
| Looking deeper, yesterday's vote was a good thing and may assure it's death...There are many changes that need to be made to appease enough on the final vote, however, now they need 60 votes to change anything and without changing anything, unless those that came out on the record saying changes would be needed, it's D.O.A...Keep the hope alive!! |
|
|
CoolMtgGuy
12187 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 10:18:52 AM
|
| It is so hilarious to see certainty turn to hope with the naysayers. |
|
|
rudeness
6000 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2009 : 10:35:04 AM
|
quote:
Originally posted by craigppls
Fool, I've told my family's history with our health insurance when my oldest daughter got sick at 16 months old on BO before.
My kid was racking up days in the ped ICU at Cedar Sinai. At over 20k per day, plus more MRI and CT scans than I can count, add in the brain surgeon. So the insurance company made up a bull**** reason stop paying and to drop us.
The reason... When she was first sick, their doctor gave us a choice of two hospitals to transfer her too. Huntington M. in Pasadena or Cedars... Both are approved hospitals for the insurance. We picked Cedars so their doctor made the arangements. Insurance approved all the bills til the day they did the math. Then they said we went to cedars without their approval, was the reason for them to drop us. Their doc got their approval for cedars...which is why after years in court and they could no longer stall because the judge finally had enough of them changing legal teams and pulling out every BS stall they could think of. The amount of discovery was mind blowing...
Cedars was great and saved my kid's life...5 yrs of twice a week trips to their cancer center for IV treatments.
It finally worked and now she is a 10 days from turning 22 and completely fine.
quote:
Originally posted by rudeness
quote:
Originally posted by craigppls
quote:
Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
We will get through this, mark my word.
dollar
I hope so... The more private insurance screams the better I like the reforms.
The right just wants their gravy train left alone...
Private insurance is only good if you don't get sick. We had insurance til the insurance decided my kid's life was worth more dead, so they dropped us. Thankfully it didn't work out they way The insurance company wanted.
Till someone has to deal with this, you have no idea. We were lucky we fought back and won it only took 12 years.
You're full of shiit!
You've told many stories here... most of which I don't believe. This one is no different! |
|
|
|
Previous Topic | Next Topic |
|
Search for: 
