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KHufford
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 Posted - 11/05/2009 : 3:46:17 PM
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A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.
Anyone else think an Islamic Extremist/Middle Eastern/Osama Bin Ladin follwer/ terrorist may have infiltrated the US Army to do this killing activity??
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khoiey
2966 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 3:48:48 PM
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| Religion is a powerful thing. |
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Gabriels
339 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 3:50:21 PM
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Originally posted by khoiey
Religion is a powerful thing.
It was reported that he was a recent convert. |
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khoiey
2966 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 3:53:39 PM
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Originally posted by Gabriels
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Originally posted by khoiey
Religion is a powerful thing.
It was reported that he was a recent convert.
I just noticed that he's a Major. Which means he's a US citizen and served quite a long time in the army. We will find out soon enough. |
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KHufford
10407 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:00:04 PM
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Originally posted by khoiey
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Originally posted by Gabriels
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Originally posted by khoiey
Religion is a powerful thing.
It was reported that he was a recent convert.
I just noticed that he's a Major. Which means he's a US citizen and served quite a long time in the army. We will find out soon enough.
The 9/11 pilots spent years in flight training here int he US....they are committed and they will plot these things for years and years.
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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:00:09 PM
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| Very interesting....I would really like to know what triggered the dastardly deed. |
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darkstar
26249 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:09:54 PM
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I was mistaken on events, he worked at Walter Reed for 6yrs, lots of high profile people there...
Who knew he was a convert and didn't do something about it?...CID will be very busy... |
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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:20:28 PM
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| ...and what would that something had been. Trampling on someone Else's religious rights? |
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CreditRepGal
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:21:51 PM
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Anyone else confused by this sentence?
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Originally posted by cspatmon
...and what would that something had been. Trampling on someone Else's religious rights?
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Gabriels
339 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:25:21 PM
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Originally posted by cspatmon
...and what would that something had been. Trampling on someone Else's religious rights?
Lets see, he was a reported to be a recent muslim convert...a psychiatrist probably helping soldiers whose job it was to kill muslims...he was an authority figure(Major)...there might have been something! |
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darkstar
26249 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:28:51 PM
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Originally posted by cspatmon
...and what would that something had been. Trampling on someone Else's religious rights?
How about report a subversive oh clueless one... |
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QUANTAM
327 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:33:33 PM
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| He was born and raised in the US, according to his cousin. He was always a Muslim and not a recent convert. His cousin also indicated that he didn't want to be deployed to Iraq and was quite upset about it. That, plus the fact that he was allegedly harassed throughout his career because of his religion, leads me to believe that he just snapped and had nothing to do with terrorism. Not trying by any means to justify his actions, just adding a little clarity to the discussion. |
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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:36:04 PM
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| ...okay Darkster...I never claim to know everything, I'm sure you're the expert. If this is a common practice why wasn't it implemented? Mr. know it all or is it because of budget cuts and lack of an enforcement personnel. |
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Gabriels
339 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:38:44 PM
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Originally posted by QUANTAM
He was born and raised in the US, according to his cousin. He was always a Muslim and not a recent convert. His cousin also indicated that he didn't want to be deployed to Iraq and was quite upset about it. That, plus the fact that he was allegedly harassed throughout his career because of his religion, leads me to believe that he just snapped and had nothing to do with terrorism. Not trying by any means to justify his actions, just adding a little clarity to the discussion.
If true, I can see where he might have needed a little help himself. |
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rudeness
5393 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:40:07 PM
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
Anyone else confused by this sentence?
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Originally posted by cspatmon
...and what would that something had been. Trampling on someone Else's religious rights?
Only if I try to read it. |
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darkstar
26249 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 4:44:26 PM
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Originally posted by cspatmon
...okay Darkster...I never claim to know everything, I'm sure you're the expert. If this is a common practice why wasn't it implemented? Mr. know it all or is it because of budget cuts and lack of an enforcement personnel.
Umm, simple, nobody reported it when he made statements against the US while being an Officer in our military...His coworkers quoted him, if true, they f'd up... |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 6:33:21 PM
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Originally posted by QUANTAM
He was born and raised in the US, according to his cousin. He was always a Muslim and not a recent convert. His cousin also indicated that he didn't want to be deployed to Iraq and was quite upset about it. That, plus the fact that he was allegedly harassed throughout his career because of his religion, leads me to believe that he just snapped and had nothing to do with terrorism. Not trying by any means to justify his actions, just adding a little clarity to the discussion.
I believe he just snapped too. although his recent alleged statements do concern me if true, why was this guy allowed to still be in the military. Something more should have been done. So many questions so little answers as of yet. If he made those statements, why was he transferred in July? Why was he allowed to just freely walk around any base without someone keeping an eye on him? How many others have made similar statements and are in positions to do damage to our military at this point. Somebody had to have known and somebody owes these families some answers. This isn't a highschool shooting that happened and these aren't highschool kids that may "have heard something!" These are military men that should have taken this guys statements seriously and something should have been done. I don't know what, but I'm angry and just venting. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:09:16 PM
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"Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Hasan, officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened."
source:
http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/05/who-is-maj-nidal-malik-hasan/ |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:21:53 PM
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
"Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Hasan, officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened."
source:
http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/05/who-is-maj-nidal-malik-hasan/
wth! He can't be the only one like that. How many others may be in jeopardy on any other us base? |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:28:04 PM
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Crazy huh?
"A individual whom worked with Hasan at the Fort Hood psychiatric ward said Hasan was angry about the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said, first of all, we should not be over there,’ said Col Terry Lee. He said precisely that maybe the “Muslims should stand up and fight against the U.S aggressors".
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Originally posted by carriemaese
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
"Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Hasan, officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened."
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http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/05/who-is-maj-nidal-malik-hasan/
wth! He can't be the only one like that. How many others may be in jeopardy on any other us base?
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carriemaese
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:30:59 PM
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Crazy huh?
"A individual whom worked with Hasan at the Fort Hood psychiatric ward said Hasan was angry about the U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. He said, first of all, we should not be over there,’ said Col Terry Lee. He said precisely that maybe the “Muslims should stand up and fight against the U.S aggressors".
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Originally posted by carriemaese
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
"Federal law enforcement officials say Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Hasan, officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened."
source:
http://conservativepapers.com/index.php/2009/11/05/who-is-maj-nidal-malik-hasan/
wth! He can't be the only one like that. How many others may be in jeopardy on any other us base?
that's what I heard and have been referring to as the alleged statements. I'm beyond angry about this. Why wasn't an official investigation opened? How many reports did they get? Did anyone who heard the statements report them? |
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darkstar
26249 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:32:20 PM
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| If anyone in the military, whether white, black or brown, warrants being watched that intensely, they just need to be relieved of duty, especially someone dealing with vulnerable soldiers trying to cope(or whatever), I mean come on... |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 7:33:27 PM
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| I get that many people, even here on the bo say we shouldn't be over there, however the statement of how muslims should rise up or stand up to the US should have been a trigger, especially with a name like his. I don't care what anyone says about profiling!! |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:21:13 PM
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Heck yea, if I was on an airplane and someone said that either I go or he goes, preferably he goes head first to the pavement below.
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Originally posted by carriemaese
I get that many people, even here on the bo say we shouldn't be over there, however the statement of how muslims should rise up or stand up to the US should have been a trigger, especially with a name like his. I don't care what anyone says about profiling!!
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khoiey
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:23:35 PM
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Maybe US Army took his alleged statements lightly as they are in dire need of command officers?
Nevertheless, let the army setup firing squad on this guy. I don't care if he snapped, he's not even in combat role. |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:28:03 PM
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Originally posted by khoiey
Maybe US Army took his alleged statements lightly as they are in dire need of command officers?
Nevertheless, let the army setup firing squad on this guy. I don't care if he snapped, he's not even in combat role.
How could you not take those "alleged" statements likely? Our system is screwed up and we are paying for it with lives! I remember a thread from someone, I think it was Steve Duran, If you saw someone doing something shady, would you do anything?" a lot of BO said NO! Would you now???? |
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khoiey
2966 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:32:14 PM
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Originally posted by carriemaese
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Originally posted by khoiey
Maybe US Army took his alleged statements lightly as they are in dire need of command officers?
Nevertheless, let the army setup firing squad on this guy. I don't care if he snapped, he's not even in combat role.
How could you not take those "alleged" statements likely? Our system is screwed up and we are paying for it with lives! I remember a thread from someone, I think it was Steve Duran, If you saw someone doing something shady, would you do anything?" a lot of BO said NO! Would you now????
Well, I'm sure it's wrong but somehow, someone must felt he/she might get label as racist if there was an investigation? Who knows, it's the army. In real civilian world, if a Muslim dude said same thing, could you report him without accusing of being a racist or racial profiling? |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:39:31 PM
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Yes, political correctness caused this to get this far, to not look into this guy over fear of being called a racist. It not politically correct to call a guy with a Muslim name a terrorist, even if he is!
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Originally posted by khoiey
How could you not take those "alleged" statements likely? Our system is screwed up and we are paying for it with lives! I remember a thread from someone, I think it was Steve Duran, If you saw someone doing something shady, would you do anything?" a lot of BO said NO! Would you now????
Well, I'm sure it's wrong but somehow, someone must felt he/she might get label as racist if there was an investigation? Who knows, it's the army. In real civilian world, if a Muslim dude said same thing, could you report him without accusing of being a racist or racial profiling?
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 8:49:47 PM
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| BS, I would have said something, maybe you too. It's political correctness that may have led to the deaths of our servicemen. |
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djorge44
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 06:49:56 AM
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| This is the 2nd terrorist attack conducted by a Muslim(s) against our military. Remember the attack in Arkansas just a few months ago that they swept under the rug. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 07:39:46 AM
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They must have really swept it under the rug, know nothing of it???
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Originally posted by djorge44
This is the 2nd terrorist attack conducted by a Muslim(s) against our military. Remember the attack in Arkansas just a few months ago that they swept under the rug.
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AK__47
1645 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 07:44:16 AM
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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
They must have really swept it under the rug, no nothing of it???
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Originally posted by djorge44
This is the 2nd terrorist attack conducted by a Muslim(s) against our military. Remember the attack in Arkansas just a few months ago that they swept under the rug.
I dont remember hearing anything either. |
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Quicksilver
5940 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 07:47:48 AM
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| Here's another report, and love how his brother said he was a good american and person blah blah blah... well soliders at the shooting reported they heard him yell "Allahu Akbar" before opening fire. |
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 07:52:58 AM
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Muslim jihadi killing our soldiers on American soil .............
UPDATE: Robert Spencer breaks this stunning development:
I have learned from a well-placed source that Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who killed one soldier and wounded another at a a Little Rock military recruiting center today, and who faces charges of terrorism as well as first-degree murder, has recently returned from Yemen, where he studied jihad with an Islamic scholar there.
Apparently the Islamic scholar under whom this American convert to Islam studied was yet another misunderstander of Islam's true, peaceful teachings.
Jihad terror on American soil: Muslim kills soldier, wounds another at Arkansas military recruiting center Jihadwatch
"Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act..."
"Suspect arrested in Arkansas recruiting center shooting," from CNN, June 1 (thanks to Don):
(CNN) -- An Arkansas man was arrested Monday in connection with a shooting at a Little Rock military recruiting center that killed one soldier and wounded another, authorities said.
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad -- a 24-year-old Little Rock resident formerly known as Carlos Bledsoe -- faces a first-degree murder charge and 15 counts of engaging in a terrorist act, Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas said. The terrorist counts stem from the shots fired at an occupied building.
The soldier who was killed was identified as Pvt. William Long, 24, of Conway, and the wounded soldier is Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, of Jacksonville, Thomas said....
Although military officials initially believed that the shooting was a random act, Thomas said police think the shooter acted alone "with the specific purpose of targeting military personnel."...
Thomas said police recovered three guns from Muhammad's black Ford SUV: an SKS semi-automatic rifle, a .22-caliber rifle and a pistol....
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad had "political and religious motives." -- so says "Shooter, Victims Identified in West LR Shooting," from KATV7.com, June 1 (thanks to Benedict). |
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GetLoans4me
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 08:31:15 AM
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Here we go again,
Does anybody in here remembers Timothy Mc Veigh??????? shocking eh
Malik didn't like what he saw over there and he knew that our President of USA is full of shyt! He opposed wars and that's why he didn't want to go back. He blew up and shot people along with two other dudes.
wanna know who are the leading terrorisms??? world banks, cia, kgb, intelligence, war companies...
cmon don't tell me that none of this is bs cuz it is the very truth.
Don't you see how the media and corporate manupliate the story?
JFK was killed by one man? SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
MLK jr was killed by one man? SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 10:21:52 AM
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Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. He said officials had not yet confirmed that Hasan made the comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting |
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clydesnodgrass
772 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:32:06 AM
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I get that many people, even here on the bo say we shouldn't be over there, however the statement of how muslims should rise up or stand up to the US should have been a trigger, especially with a name like his. I don't care what anyone says about profiling!!
So a name is all you need now to be a terrorist?
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:36:37 AM
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Originally posted by clydesnodgrass
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I get that many people, even here on the bo say we shouldn't be over there, however the statement of how muslims should rise up or stand up to the US should have been a trigger, especially with a name like his. I don't care what anyone says about profiling!!
So a name is all you need now to be a terrorist?
NOooo, I'm saying with the statements made and his name should have been a trigger. Did you not read that part? |
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clydesnodgrass
772 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:42:50 AM
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His name shouldn't have anything to do with it.
I'm ex Military. I read his rank, his job, where he was stationed and automatically assumed he was a convert to Islam. If someone, anyone, talks about suicide bombing, attacks, whatever - they need to be arrested for making terrorist statements. It's the whole reason there is a Patriot Act (regardless of what the government tells you) - so we can detain whoever the **** we want too without having to give them a reason why. I have friends at Ft Hood. My brother in law was stationed there. Believe me - it's highly aggrevating to hear that this happened. But at the same time, I have a few dozen muslim friends, all of whom have the same sounding names, none of whom have ever even met anyone that's a terrorist, let alone talked about acting as one. |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:46:12 AM
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Originally posted by clydesnodgrass
His name shouldn't have anything to do with it.
I'm ex Military. I read his rank, his job, where he was stationed and automatically assumed he was a convert to Islam. If someone, anyone, talks about suicide bombing, attacks, whatever - they need to be arrested for making terrorist statements. It's the whole reason there is a Patriot Act (regardless of what the government tells you) - so we can detain whoever the **** we want too without having to give them a reason why. I have friends at Ft Hood. My brother in law was stationed there. Believe me - it's highly aggrevating to hear that this happened. But at the same time, I have a few dozen muslim friends, all of whom have the same sounding names, none of whom have ever even met anyone that's a terrorist, let alone talked about acting as one.
I bet your muslim friends don't make the statements like this muslim did. I don't think all muslims are terrorists. This one was, he made terrorist statements, therefore I stand by what I wrote. You don't have to agree with me. That's the beauty of living in the US. |
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clydesnodgrass
772 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:51:08 AM
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Your statement was, "I'm saying with the statements made and his name should have been a trigger". Statements made should have been the trigger, his name should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
You don't think all Muslims are terrorists? That's good. Just a good portion of them? Maybe it's your writing style, but that's what I got from what you posted and because of your comments earlier. |
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 11:56:46 AM
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Originally posted by clydesnodgrass
Your statement was, "I'm saying with the statements made and his name should have been a trigger". Statements made should have been the trigger, his name should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
You don't think all Muslims are terrorists? That's good. Just a good portion of them? Maybe it's your writing style, but that's what I got from what you posted and because of your comments earlier.
Take what you want from it Clyde, but don't try to put words in my mouth. That's how I feel. It's my opinion. You have yours and you're welcome to it. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:12:38 PM
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Clyde the guy made questionable remarks, but not only that he killed people while yelling Allah Akbar. This guy is a killer, we already know that, you add the pieces together it is obvious.
I have Muslims friend as well, they don't blog on suicide bombing sites and say they hope the Muslims prevail over the Americans. This guy did and again KILLED people!
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Originally posted by clydesnodgrass
Your statement was, "I'm saying with the statements made and his name should have been a trigger". Statements made should have been the trigger, his name should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
You don't think all Muslims are terrorists? That's good. Just a good portion of them? Maybe it's your writing style, but that's what I got from what you posted and because of your comments earlier.
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carriemaese
3880 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:18:00 PM
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| I get what Clyde is saying that his name shouldn't have any baring on it but the fact (or my opinion)is that it does. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
7357 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:27:05 PM
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Maybe not his name, but his religion as some radicals interpret Islam in a extreme way like for example Osama bin Laden.
That said they guy has an Islamic name. I am Sicilian, people always think of Mafia first, it goes with the name big deal. If I were to have bodies under my Vegas Casino then you put two and two together, Sicilian, Casino, Bodies in concrete = mafia!
Islamic name, mass killings, Suicide Blogs, yelling Chants during the kill= Islamic Radical! Not rocket science!
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Originally posted by carriemaese
I get what Clyde is saying that his name shouldn't have any baring on it but the fact (or my opinion)is that it does.
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cindyhulett
589 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:31:20 PM
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Originally posted by KHufford
A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.
Anyone else think an Islamic Extremist/Middle Eastern/Osama Bin Ladin follwer/ terrorist may have infiltrated the US Army to do this killing activity??
Certainly makes one question the security on a military base. |
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craigppls
2115 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:41:30 PM
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From a radio show last night...the guy was ex military...
So he was reading from his service report...No medals...exp for the ones you get for just being there...not good
Was given a bad service review and shipped to a new post...not good
Then he was freaked out about getting shipped to Iraq...His duty he would have never left the green zone...shorts and flip flops off duty...*****
I would put him in the postal worker group...just a lone nutcase... |
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khoiey
2966 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:43:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by cindyhulett
quote:
Originally posted by KHufford
A law enforcement official identified the shooting suspect as Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.
Anyone else think an Islamic Extremist/Middle Eastern/Osama Bin Ladin follwer/ terrorist may have infiltrated the US Army to do this killing activity??
Certainly makes one question the security on a military base.
The killer was presently a Major, it's not a low rank. |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:53:26 PM
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Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.
Also, most military folks don't carry weapons while walking around a compound like this. How did he get past security while carrying his personal weapons .... not even military issue.
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KHufford
10407 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 12:58:08 PM
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This killer should die by firing squad. This could be a sign of greater problems, terrorist here locally, gaining entry to our Military, to me that sounds like a wonderful terrorist plot in the eyes of Jihadists and Osama Bin Laden followers....I bet that is their next tactical strategy, to completely ruin our armed services.
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khoiey
2966 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2009 : 1:00:39 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Seems like there was some mismanagement among military brass. To have a fellow military psychiatrist refuse to refer patients to him due to serious concerns about his capability and competence is an interesting situation. Did she report her distrust to superiors? They promoted him to Major just this past May ... with all the negative stuff coming out only now? I think that a management problem contributed to this.
Also, most military folks don't carry weapons while walking around a compound like this. How did he get past security while carrying his personal weapons .... not even military issue.
I think officers are allow to have side arm on base. But then again, he is just a psychiatric. |
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