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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
 Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:01:24 PM
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GOP candidates. The nightmare for the Republican party has only just begun.
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Charles Mahtesian – Tue Nov 3, 4:38 am ET
In what could be a nightmare scenario for Republican Party officials, conservative activists are gearing up to challenge leading GOP candidates in more than a dozen key House and Senate races in 2010.
Conservatives and tea party activists had already set their sights on some of the GOP’s top Senate recruits — a list that includes Gov. Charlie Crist in Florida, former Rep. Rob Simmons in Connecticut and Rep. Mark Kirk in Illinois, among others.
But their success in Tuesday’s upstate New York special election, where grass-roots efforts pushed GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava to drop out of the race and helped Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman surge into the lead on the eve of Election Day, has generated more money and enthusiasm than organizers ever imagined.
Activists predict a wave that could roll from California to Kentucky to New Hampshire and that could leave even some GOP incumbents — Utah Sen. Bob Bennett is one — facing unexpectedly fierce challenges from their right flank.
“I would say it’s the tip of the spear,” said Dick Armey, the former GOP House majority leader who now serves as chairman of FreedomWorks, an organization that has been closely aligned with the tea party movement. “We are the biggest source of energy in American politics today.”
“What you’re going to see,” said Armey, “is moderates and conservatives across the country in primaries.”
These high-stakes primaries, pitting the activist wing of the party against the establishment wing, stand to have a profound impact on the 2010 election landscape since they will create significant problems for moderate candidates recruited by the national party precisely because they appear well-suited to win in places that are not easily — or even plausibly — won by conservative candidates.
The tensions between the two visions threaten to limit the party’s gains in an election year that is shaping up in its favor.
Party strategists worry that well-funded, well-organized challenges from the right could force Republicans to exhaust precious resources on messy primary fights — or force moderate candidates to adopt more strident positions early on that could haunt them during the final months of the campaign.
“For me, what this says is, we need to take a deep breath and decide whether [moderates and conservatives] work together or not,” said Tom Davis, the former chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. “And if we don’t, it can get very, very ugly.”
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ML
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:08:30 PM
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Wow, that's great! That's awesome, that's the best news I've heard all day!
Evidently they didn't get the memo. The fight today, in elections, is for the middle of the road voters. The further the GOP goes to the right, the more "L's" they will rack up.
Keep up the good work Sister Sarah and Mike Tysons Brother-in-Law. More power to you Glenn Beck and Penis Armey!
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assassin17
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:17:34 PM
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Did you guys forget about the "Teabaggers have no clout" spin from your boy Obama? Remember the "nobody is showing up to that" spin?
It appears that they do.
The GOP is not the ultimate target here, this is just an internal power struggle. Whoever loses this is going to back off by election time and combine forces to grab the real prize.
This is nothing new. The Blue-Dogs have done this also. At the end of the day, the GOP will stand united to toss the bums out. |
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paulsof1
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 7:20:35 PM
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| We're just getting rid of liberals who call themselves Republicans. There will be a new conservative GOP. 2010 will be telling. Last night was a sample platter to what is to come. Enjoy your ride with this one term community organizing failure, his czars and the leftists on the hill. |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 11/04/2009 : 8:36:49 PM
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Uh huh ... OK. Trust me, I like what is going on in the Republican party. Really.
So the party going from being regional to local in some corner of the South ... and that will satisfy the ultraRight? That I have got to see.
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Originally posted by paulsof1
We're just getting rid of liberals who call themselves Republicans. There will be a new conservative GOP. 2010 will be telling. Last night was a sample platter to what is to come. Enjoy your ride with this one term community organizing failure, his czars and the leftists on the hill.
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rudeness
5407 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 05:14:37 AM
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| I guess the will try anything to take the spotlight off the MAJOR ASS KICKING the Dems took in Jersey & Virginia! Wake up... the people are not happy with the disasterous decisions being made in Washington. |
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darkstar
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 05:17:49 AM
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| Xactly, just because the Dem are in power doesn't mean they're any less f'd up...Playing the R&D game just feeds the status quo... |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 05:40:55 AM
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When that 3rd or 4th option comes along, wake me up. Until then, I live in the real world of Dems and Reps and I'm om with it ... along with the majority of people in the country.
In fact, I want to have two strong parties because that is the only way to keep the pendulum political swinging. Maybe the Republican party will completely melt down and be reborn as a new party with winnable policies and ideas. One can only hope. |
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djorge44
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 05:42:39 AM
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I think it is funny when the people from the FAR LEFT (and the current administration may be the most far left in 50-100 years) talk about the conservatives losing the independents.
The MSM wants a moderate GOP so it can be big spend Republicans versus BIGGER spend socialists. Then they really win anyway.
The conservatives actually present a differing view and poll after poll show that AMERICANS are MORE CONSERVATIVE than Loonie Liberals.
According to GALLUP, 40% of Americans (up from last year) are Conservative, 36% are moderate, and only 20% are liberal.
It would seem to me that the Conservative only have to sway 11% of people to there way of thinking to win where the OBAMA Socialists need almost every moderate.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx
Again, 2010 and 2012 is NOT about the GOP, it is all about PRO or ANTI-OBAMA
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:16:04 AM
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I agree that 2010 and 2012 elections will be referandums on Obama's presidency as it should. He, along with many Dems in Congress, were elected to deliver results and they should all be voted out if they fail to do so.
Regarding the Republican party, what matters most is what Republicans want to be when they grow up, not what MSM [here we go again] wants for them. According to your logic, the party and its leaders have no responsibility for what is becoming of the party. I disagree with that premise but you are entitled to it all the same.
I left the party because it always failed to walk the talk. Some of the values [smaller government, balanced budgets, national security] are attractive to me but they are never practiced. If I ever have an opportunity to vote for a Republican who convinces me that they would walk the talk and not worry more about their job, I will vote for him/her.
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Originally posted by djorge44
I think it is funny when the people from the FAR LEFT (and the current administration may be the most far left in 50-100 years) talk about the conservatives losing the independents.
The MSM wants a moderate GOP so it can be big spend Republicans versus BIGGER spend socialists. Then they really win anyway.
The conservatives actually present a differing view and poll after poll show that AMERICANS are MORE CONSERVATIVE than Loonie Liberals.
According to GALLUP, 40% of Americans (up from last year) are Conservative, 36% are moderate, and only 20% are liberal.
It would seem to me that the Conservative only have to sway 11% of people to there way of thinking to win where the OBAMA Socialists need almost every moderate.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx
Again, 2010 and 2012 is NOT about the GOP, it is all about PRO or ANTI-OBAMA
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:21:50 AM
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You make no sense, you say smaller government is attractive to you but you support the person who is trying to pass the largest expansion of government ever.
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:24:02 AM
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- Ban party politics. Make every candidate accountable only to themselves, so they can state their intentions freely. No candidate may organize with any other incumbent politician or candidate working, gathering, or speaking in any capacity of their organization. Endorsements are acceptable.
- Force each candidate to provide a written platform of their plans and opinions for all to view PRIOR to the election.
- Force each candidate to provide a written list of binding promises to outline their top priorities PRIOR to the election.
- Consider banning any candidate from any voting action that goes against one of their prior written binding promises. No lying to get votes. You promise not to raise taxes, you can't vote on anything that will raise taxes. This will force them to trim their promise list specifically to the goals they know they will keep. Let the votes come from others who would not be breaking a campaign promise.
- Ban any form of material or any other compensation, gratuity, kickback, or incentive while in office other than the government salary for that position. Violations mean immediate expulsion from office FOREVER. If RESPA's good enough for brokers, it's good enough for politicians.
- Set in place an annual procedure to request and begin a recall of any elected official if enough requests are made.
- Place term limits upon all elected officals and supreme court justices. All justices should be elected, not appointed.
- No more 'czars'. Ever.
- Create a public access TV and radio channel giving each candidate 30 or 60-minute slots to PERSONALLY speak per calendar day, which may be rebroadcast on equal terms during that day. No other form of political advertising or propaganda is allowed in any other televised or broadcast media. No other person may speak except the actual candidate.
- Ban all political telephone calls to private citizens and companies.
- Ban absentee voting for anyone not in active military service outside of US territory. It's not worth the fraud. |
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darkstar
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Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:28:51 AM
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>>>>>You promise not to raise taxes, you can't vote on anything that will raise taxes. This will force them to trim their promise list specifically to the goals they know they will keep. Let the votes come from others who would not be breaking a campaign promise.
But but but Obama said it was worse than he thought and, well, he just has to... |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:47:07 AM
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Mine was an anti-Republican vote, not a pro-Democrat vote. You have seen me state that many times before. What is so hard about understanding that simple concept?
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Originally posted by djorge44
You make no sense, you say smaller government is attractive to you but you support the person who is trying to pass the largest expansion of government ever.
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 06:58:56 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
But but but Obama said it was worse than he thought and, well, he just has to...
Then he forfeits his vote and will rely upon his charms to induce others to vote for it. It's not impossible, but he made a pledge to get elected and he's going to stick to it.
In my dreams, of course. |
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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 07:44:58 AM
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Excellent! We're loving it!!!! |
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