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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
 Posted - 11/04/2009 : 08:58:50 AM
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| Keith Bardwell, refused to marry interracial couples. Bardwell resigned after 34 yrs. in office. The couple have filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Bardwell and his wife. Their attorney, Laura C, said the resignation won't stop the lawsuit. Did Mr. Bardwell not get the 1967 civil rights memo or just felt his racist bias was acceptable and above reproach. Since he had the power it also gave him the right to discriminate no? Or was it just his moral conscience and personal right to push his biases on others? |
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:10:09 AM
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I was reading this and debating about posting it - I have to say that I have mixed (no pun intended) feelings about this - while I think this guy is an idiot - doesnt he have the right to refuse to marry anyone that he chooses
He is a business owner - basically - and he has the right to refuse service to anyone he wants -
I am a notary and I have the right to choose to refuse to marry someone if I want to
I personally have NO problem with inter-racial marriage I think it should be mandatory - eventually we would all be the same color and the race card would be moot -
and he NEVER said the could not OR should not marry he just said that he would not marry them - granted his reasons were assinine - but still he did not stand in the way of them getting married and even provided them with another justice's name to marry them ......
I think it is a slippery slope
and please do not jump me and call me racist - I absolutely am not -
I just have mixed feelings about this - |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:15:48 AM
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Originally posted by k10602
I was reading this and debating about posting it - I have to say that I have mixed (no pun intended) feelings about this - while I think this guy is an idiot - doesnt he have the right to refuse to marry anyone that he chooses
He is a business owner - basically - and he has the right to refuse service to anyone he wants -
I am a notary and I have the right to choose to refuse to marry someone if I want to
I personally have NO problem with inter-racial marriage I think it should be mandatory - eventually we would all be the same color and the race card would be moot -
and he NEVER said the could not OR should not marry he just said that he would not marry them - granted his reasons were assinine - but still he did not stand in the way of them getting married and even provided them with another justice's name to marry them ......
I think it is a slippery slope
and please do not jump me and call me racist - I absolutely am not -
I just have mixed feelings about this -
I see what you're saying but really, does someone have a right to refuse service to someone based just on skin color alone? I would think not. Maybe if the came in shirtless or barefoot. |
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:18:26 AM
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| This guy is an idiot and it is good he is gone |
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:18:32 AM
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but why doesnt he - what if he said he would not marry them because they are jewish and catholic - would you say "does he have the right to refuse based on religion alone"
It is my understanding that Rabi's refuse to marry interfaith couples - what is the difference? and there may be other religions that may refuse as well -
again I say - he did not tell them they should not or could not - just that he would not do it ......
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:21:32 AM
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Originally posted by k10602
but why doesnt he - what if he said he would not marry them because they are jewish and catholic - would you say "does he have the right to refuse based on religion alone"
It is my understanding that Rabi's refuse to marry interfaith couples - what is the difference? and there may be other religions that may refuse as well -
again I say - he did not tell them they should not or could not - just that he would not do it ......
He worked for the state of LA though. It's not like he had a chapel in his backyard. |
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:27:31 AM
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how do you know he didnt - how do you know he didnt have everything to have a beautiful wedding spot -
and suppose the couple was a white jewish gal and a black catholic man - and they went to him and he said - sorry dont marry inter faith couples and never mentioned the race - would it have been ok then
this guy has a business that marries people - and again I say as a business owner he has the right to make his own rules
Prime example CHICK FLIET they will not allow you to have face piercings - guys cant have earings - and there are other stipulations that you must follow to work there -
so ever business owner has the right to make his own rules
do I think this guy is an idiot YES I DO - but his business his rules |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:35:12 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by k10602
how do you know he didnt - how do you know he didnt have everything to have a beautiful wedding spot -
and suppose the couple was a white jewish gal and a black catholic man - and they went to him and he said - sorry dont marry inter faith couples and never mentioned the race - would it have been ok then
this guy has a business that marries people - and again I say as a business owner he has the right to make his own rules
Prime example CHICK FLIET they will not allow you to have face piercings - guys cant have earings - and there are other stipulations that you must follow to work there -
so ever business owner has the right to make his own rules
do I think this guy is an idiot YES I DO - but his business his rules
That's where you're wrong. It's not his business. He works for the state. The state pays him, he is not self employed. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:38:13 AM
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| How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?... |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:39:19 AM
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Originally posted by k10602
but why doesnt he - what if he said he would not marry them because they are jewish and catholic - would you say "does he have the right to refuse based on religion alone"
It is my understanding that Rabi's refuse to marry interfaith couples - what is the difference? and there may be other religions that may refuse as well -
again I say - he did not tell them they should not or could not - just that he would not do it ......
He also cannot discriminate due to religion. He doesn't work for the church he works for the state. |
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:41:28 AM
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ok well I will give you that one - he was elected - repeatedly - with people knowing this was his practice - and being an employee of the state - you are correct he is in violation of the civil rights act -
and please do not get me wrong - I certainly think that he should be gone - but I also still think that if he was a notary that he would have this right
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 09:51:26 AM
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| I agree with you Darkstar - I dont think it is discrimination either - stupidity yes but he gave the same treatment to both - did not single one out over the other .......... |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:06:03 AM
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Exactly ...
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Originally posted by carriemaese
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Originally posted by k10602
but why doesnt he - what if he said he would not marry them because they are jewish and catholic - would you say "does he have the right to refuse based on religion alone"
It is my understanding that Rabi's refuse to marry interfaith couples - what is the difference? and there may be other religions that may refuse as well -
again I say - he did not tell them they should not or could not - just that he would not do it ......
He worked for the state of LA though. It's not like he had a chapel in his backyard.
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:07:22 AM
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Tell them Carrie .... you are so smart.
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Originally posted by carriemaese
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Originally posted by k10602
how do you know he didnt - how do you know he didnt have everything to have a beautiful wedding spot -
and suppose the couple was a white jewish gal and a black catholic man - and they went to him and he said - sorry dont marry inter faith couples and never mentioned the race - would it have been ok then
this guy has a business that marries people - and again I say as a business owner he has the right to make his own rules
Prime example CHICK FLIET they will not allow you to have face piercings - guys cant have earings - and there are other stipulations that you must follow to work there -
so ever business owner has the right to make his own rules
do I think this guy is an idiot YES I DO - but his business his rules
That's where you're wrong. It's not his business. He works for the state. The state pays him, he is not self employed.
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craigppls
2116 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:25:12 AM
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1967 Federal Law, said he didnt have the right to refuse. As a Justice of the Peace for the state...he's not a small business owner, he is a state employee.
It just amazes me that people still like him believe this shiit in 2009.
You can't fix stupid... |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:34:38 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?...
He discriminated against color period. It's not just a black and white world. Just becasue he did it equally doesn't mean he didn't discriminate. He doesn't have a right to say whether or not someone should get married based on the color of their skin. Would he have married a hispanic and white or an asian and black. Don't know. The article I read said he's turned at least 4 couples away in the last 2 1/2 years because they were mixed race. It didn't state what ethnicity they were. |
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k10602
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:41:17 AM
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Well I think we can all agree that he is better of NOT working for the state and that LA is rid of him - sortta - he can still do or not do marriages if he has the proper docs
and I agree that dealing with this in 2009 is NUTS - now if it were 1969 and it was not as wide spread - worring about "mixed race children" may have been a concern - I dont know I was 12 - and it was a new thing - but today being mixed race is normal - and like I said I think it should be mandatory - eventually we would all be mixed and there would be no race card to play for anyone
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craigppls
2116 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:41:26 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?...
I missed this post of yours Dark...
We have a new contender for the stupidest post of the year award!!! |
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nw@8brook
538 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 10:47:11 AM
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still have a couple of months to go, but this should be in the top 5
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Originally posted by craigppls
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Originally posted by darkstar
How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?...
I missed this post of yours Dark...
We have a new contender for the stupidest post of the year award!!!
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 11:23:40 AM
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I don't care if he WAS a private business owner, he still cannot discriminate based upon race. That is a defined form of discrimination punishable by law.
But this, this bothers me a little...
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Originally posted by k10602
I personally have NO problem with inter-racial marriage I think it should be mandatory - eventually we would all be the same color and the race card would be moot -
That is about as sickeningly politically-correct a comment as I've ever heard. Despite the obvious destruction of cultures, this would pose a massive problem for me.
I've slept with many races of women and I happen to vastly prefer Caucasian women. When I say that, I mean my body absolutely LOVES them over any other. To me they smell better, they look better, they taste better, they feel better, more loving, more creative, more exciting, etc etc etc.
Mmmmm. I totally agree with my old neighborhood pimp... NOTHING beats sex with a white woman! Softer hair... I need a few moments. Be right back...
Now you can yell 'racist' at me all day long, but ye shall never fool my sex organ, which has proven as reliable and trustworthy a best friend as I could have ever dreamed of. It has always stood by me when I needed it most. It knows exactly what it likes and I would dare any attorney to prove otherwise, especially a hot blonde one.
I would love to be hauled into court after I violated this law. After I trot out my witnesses, I would give a completely new meaning to "taking the stand".
I could never marry a black woman, because I do not know how to "do hair".
I could never marry a latina woman, because I refuse to eat anything I can't pronounce.
I could never marry an asian woman, because I put my shoes on the furniture.
I could never marry a filipino, because my dad's name is Philip. That's just weird.
I could never marry a purple woman, because she is dead.
But I can and hopefully WILL marry a white woman, because I have a VISA card and Wal-Mart is right down the street.
However, in order to comply with this proposed law, I am fully willing to continue 'diversifying' my bidness and maybe break my internal chains. Free Willy! Free Willy! Let my peephole go! |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 11:40:28 AM
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Originally posted by craigppls
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?...
I missed this post of yours Dark...
We have a new contender for the stupidest post of the year award!!!
I was trying to push someone else's button with that LOL I said in last thread he's a POS..."I could have been a contender!" |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 11:44:32 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
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Originally posted by craigppls
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Originally posted by darkstar
How is this discrimination, he treated the white and black person the same in this case?...
I missed this post of yours Dark...
We have a new contender for the stupidest post of the year award!!!
I was trying to push someone else's button with that LOL I said in last thread he's a POS..."I could have been a contender!"
I figured as much. She didn't bite for once, lol. Probably hasn't seen it yet. |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 11:52:32 AM
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| Our local church went to Mississippi 2 years ago on a missionary trip and ran into a 'whites only' public pool...They were helping rebuild a black church that was burnt down...I was blown away that could possibly exist in 2007, but there it was, being told to me by a child reporting on their trip...Racism is far from gone, if only it was that flagrant so it could be eliminated... |
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CreditRepGal
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 1:05:46 PM
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| If Gay mariage was legall and this guy refused it would be discrimination yet most of these people would be backing his choice. Though I do not agree with this guys ignorance one bit, I find it hard to agree that he shouldn't have the right to not do something he does not believe in. I wouldnt expect a church to marry a gay couple if they so chose not to... this guy may be an ignorant fool but he's still allowed his freedom to think like an ignorant fool. |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 1:11:28 PM
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
If Gay mariage was legall and this guy refused it would be discrimination yet most of these people would be backing his choice. Though I do not agree with this guys ignorance one bit, I find it hard to agree that he shouldn't have the right to not do something he does not believe in. I wouldnt expect a church to marry a gay couple if they so chose not to... this guy may be an ignorant fool but he's still allowed his freedom to think like an ignorant fool.
When he is a judge for the state he doesn't have that right. He is supposed to uphold the law regardless of his personal feelings. |
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samurai
2351 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 1:18:21 PM
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| I can't believe we are having this discussion! If a restaurant owner refused to serve a mixed couple would that be tolerated? What if an air line refused to fly a mixed couple? Is that legal? Or what if a bank refused to loan money to a mixed couple? Clearly race is a protected class and you cannot discriminate against race. |
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BJ
174 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 1:54:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
I don't care if he WAS a private business owner, he still cannot discriminate based upon race. That is a defined form of discrimination punishable by law.
But this, this bothers me a little...
quote:
Originally posted by k10602
I personally have NO problem with inter-racial marriage I think it should be mandatory - eventually we would all be the same color and the race card would be moot -
That is about as sickeningly politically-correct a comment as I've ever heard. Despite the obvious destruction of cultures, this would pose a massive problem for me.
I've slept with many races of women and I happen to vastly prefer Caucasian women. When I say that, I mean my body absolutely LOVES them over any other. To me they smell better, they look better, they taste better, they feel better, more loving, more creative, more exciting, etc etc etc.
Mmmmm. I totally agree with my old neighborhood pimp... NOTHING beats sex with a white woman! Softer hair... I need a few moments. Be right back...
Now you can yell 'racist' at me all day long, but ye shall never fool my sex organ, which has proven as reliable and trustworthy a best friend as I could have ever dreamed of. It has always stood by me when I needed it most. It knows exactly what it likes and I would dare any attorney to prove otherwise, especially a hot blonde one.
I would love to be hauled into court after I violated this law. After I trot out my witnesses, I would give a completely new meaning to "taking the stand".
I could never marry a black woman, because I do not know how to "do hair".
I could never marry a latina woman, because I refuse to eat anything I can't pronounce.
I could never marry an asian woman, because I put my shoes on the furniture.
I could never marry a filipino, because my dad's name is Philip. That's just weird.
I could never marry a purple woman, because she is dead.
But I can and hopefully WILL marry a white woman, because I have a VISA card and Wal-Mart is right down the street.
However, in order to comply with this proposed law, I am fully willing to continue 'diversifying' my bidness and maybe break my internal chains. Free Willy! Free Willy! Let my peephole go!
That is funny...this thread needed a little "funny"! |
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CreditRepGal
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 2:03:07 PM
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I agree but it is also illegal to discriminate against sexual prefferance... there are too many grey areas that it's hard to establish where to draw the line without contradicting another area.... it comes down to a matter of opinion.
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Originally posted by samurai
I can't believe we are having this discussion! If a restaurant owner refused to serve a mixed couple would that be tolerated? What if an air line refused to fly a mixed couple? Is that legal? Or what if a bank refused to loan money to a mixed couple? Clearly race is a protected class and you cannot discriminate against race.
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GetLoans4me
2700 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:21:18 PM
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interracial has been going on for centuries.. Nowdays people are coming out and showing their true colors. No more hidings and feeling embarassment from people anymore.
Big deal!
Why having a fit over interracial couples? For what |
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darkstar
26266 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:24:47 PM
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| People do a lot of things based on just color, deciding how they vote for instance... |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:26:03 PM
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
I agree but it is also illegal to discriminate against sexual prefferance... there are too many grey areas that it's hard to establish where to draw the line without contradicting another area.... it comes down to a matter of opinion.
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Originally posted by samurai
I can't believe we are having this discussion! If a restaurant owner refused to serve a mixed couple would that be tolerated? What if an air line refused to fly a mixed couple? Is that legal? Or what if a bank refused to loan money to a mixed couple? Clearly race is a protected class and you cannot discriminate against race.
Not true. It is not illegal for the judge to not marry a gay couple unless LA allows it not sure if they do. If a judge in HA turned them away then it would be illegal. |
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CreditRepGal
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:27:19 PM
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| Well this guy is obviously an ignorant person, I know very few people who aren't products of interacial parents. I never suffered nor did my sibblings. If anything we gained fro the experience. I also don't think people should be bothered by other peoples ignorance. Than again I think gay people should have the right to marry eachother too. I just don't get why people care what others choose to do. |
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Mandyvilla
6400 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 3:38:09 PM
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
If Gay mariage was legall and this guy refused it would be discrimination yet most of these people would be backing his choice. Though I do not agree with this guys ignorance one bit, I find it hard to agree that he shouldn't have the right to not do something he does not believe in. I wouldnt expect a church to marry a gay couple if they so chose not to... this guy may be an ignorant fool but he's still allowed his freedom to think like an ignorant fool.
Sexual orientation is not a protected class - one of the main reasons states are individually voting on the same-sex marriages. |
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GetLoans4me
2700 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 4:29:03 PM
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| White men have been attractive for black women over 400 years. It's proven!!! |
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CreditRepGal
1972 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 4:33:11 PM
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| Didn't Chris Rock say that the reason Black Women get pissed when they see a black man with a white women, it's because they aren't attracted to White men? |
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GetLoans4me
2700 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 4:36:51 PM
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chris rock don't know shyt! he's a bm dissing bw.. there are many many and MANY black women who date white men and attracted to white men...
bottom line, it doesn't matter.. it's the attractiveness and heart n soul that matters the most.
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Originally posted by CreditRepGal
Didn't Chris Rock say that the reason Black Women get pissed when they see a black man with a white women, it's because they aren't attracted to White men?
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Mandyvilla
6400 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 5:48:32 PM
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In the southeast, we see predominately white women w/ black men. Rarely do you see a black woman w/ white men. When in New England, it's the exact opposite, black woman w/a white man. And it's rarely reversed in these locations (at least by my observations).
No clue what you guys see in mid west on over to California.... |
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Rampart
1284 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 6:00:43 PM
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| Probably safe to say the JP won't be getting a job offer from ACORN. |
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CoolMtgGuy
9079 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 6:09:43 PM
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... but he would fit in nicely in the Republican party.
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Originally posted by Rampart
Probably safe to say the JP won't be getting a job offer from ACORN.
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assassin17
7841 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2009 : 8:10:21 PM
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I don't care what Chris Rock says, I know a few black women that can give him some serious personal info about me! Ain't nunya bidness!!!
Just like eating all kinds of vegetables, I take on all comers. (No pun intended)
Seriously, 'tis a sad life you lead when you turn down the best thing in life based upon race. There really is no difference when it comes to sex, excitement comes down to how much you enjoy being with someone. Why limit your chances to find a mate? Hell, I'm still searching for 'Miss Right', but I'll gladly take 'Miss Thang' while I'm looking. It's all good!
PS - The judge should have been punched, but the solution is very easy... Find another judge and complain about this one later. |
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cspatmon
5364 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:17:29 AM
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| It's the law! Although he had the authority to uphold it he chose to abuse his power. Carrie sorry to make this announcement but unfortunately you're not smart enough to predict what I may "bite" on or how I may respond at any given time or reason! |
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:20:21 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by CreditRepGal
Didn't Chris Rock say that the reason Black Women get pissed when they see a black man with a white women, it's because they aren't attracted to White men?
I 'dated' (not sure the right word to use there) a woman from Liberia (who grew up in Italy) who never dated any guy who wasn't white. She was all about the white boys
There are lots of black women that like white meat |
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GetLoans4me
2700 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:21:01 AM
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wm/bw relationship is growing fast in the south! It may not be seen in public but it's there.
Why limited yourself?
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Originally posted by Mandyvilla
In the southeast, we see predominately white women w/ black men. Rarely do you see a black woman w/ white men. When in New England, it's the exact opposite, black woman w/a white man. And it's rarely reversed in these locations (at least by my observations).
No clue what you guys see in mid west on over to California....
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:25:28 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
It's the law! Although he had the authority to uphold it he chose to abuse his power. Carrie sorry to make this announcement but unfortunately you're not smart enough to predict what I may "bite" on or how I may respond at any given time or reason!
Hmmm, I'm not smart enough? I consider the source when someone insults me, and because it was you, that just made me giggle. Btw, how did you know I was talking about you? LMAO |
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:27:34 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mandyvilla
In the southeast, we see predominately white women w/ black men. Rarely do you see a black woman w/ white men. When in New England, it's the exact opposite, black woman w/a white man. And it's rarely reversed in these locations (at least by my observations).
No clue what you guys see in mid west on over to California....
Mandy, I knew a lot of white girls in Mass who dated black men. The basketball team (my boys) did very well for themselves at a mostly white college. |
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GetLoans4me
2700 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:30:28 AM
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Djorge,
I was in Milwaukee this past June and I went to SummerFest that host over 700 music groups in 10 days. I saw sooooo many bm/ww on dates and yes I've see wm/bw too but not as a huge numbers.
Yip, that's in Wisconsin |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:35:00 AM
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| Here in so cal you don't see many bw/wm but ww/bm you see a lot. What I never ever see is hispanic and black. |
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djorge44
3699 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:37:06 AM
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| Really, I see a lot of Hispanic women dating white men and black men. |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 08:40:47 AM
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Originally posted by djorge44
Really, I see a lot of Hispanic women dating white men and black men.
Really I can't imagine that happening in FL, lol. |
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craigppls
2116 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 10:52:47 AM
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| My sister-in-law who is hispanic is married to a blackman. They live in Tampa... |
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carriemaese
3887 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2009 : 10:54:27 AM
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Originally posted by craigppls
My sister-in-law who is hispanic is married to a blackman.
Not saying it doesn't happen just saying it's very rare around here and I never ever see it. |
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