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Maine Voters Repeal Law Allowing Gay Marriage

By ABBY GOODNOUGH
Published: November 4, 2009

In a stinging setback for the national gay-rights movement, Maine voters narrowly decided to repeal the state’s new law allowing same-sex marriage.

With 87 percent of precincts reporting early this morning, 53 percent of voters had approved the repeal, ending an expensive and emotional fight that was closely watched around the country as a referendum on the national gay-marriage movement. Polls had suggested a much closer race.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/us/politics/05maine.html?_r=1

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

I'm surprised at the outcome of that ballot initiative but I applaud the result all the same.

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Originally posted by darkstar

Didn't they do the same in CA?...Lied to the gays to get their votes, threw some legislation out there they knew would be repealed just to get their vote?...Like usual, they gays must feel used, riden hard and put away wet...Good thing Obama didn't lie to them, he can't afford to have them turn on him also...

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

BTW ... is gay marriage legal in Kentucky?

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Originally posted by darkstar

Didn't they do the same in CA?...Lied to the gays to get their votes, threw some legislation out there they knew would be repealed just to get their vote?...Like usual, they gays must feel used, riden hard and put away wet...Good thing Obama didn't lie to them, he can't afford to have them turn on him also...

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

BTW ... is gay marriage legal in Kentucky?

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Originally posted by darkstar

Didn't they do the same in CA?...Lied to the gays to get their votes, threw some legislation out there they knew would be repealed just to get their vote?...Like usual, they gays must feel used, riden hard and put away wet...Good thing Obama didn't lie to them, he can't afford to have them turn on him also...

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Didn't mean to butt in, but no, gay marriage is not allowed in Kentucky, however there is an amendment to the law, where if one of the males is a rooster or Alpha male sheep, a civil union with tax breaks is allowed. ; )

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

BTW ... is gay marriage legal in Kentucky?

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Originally posted by Jonas

Remember this logical deduction:

If you're against gay marriage...you are/would be a bad parent (or you just haven't taken the matter to it's logical conclusion).

Carry on.

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Remember this logical deduction:

If you're against gay marriage...you are/would be a bad parent (or you just haven't taken the matter to it's logical conclusion).

Carry on.

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BTW ... is gay marriage legal in Kentucky?

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No... but I understand that cousin copulation is
the main sport...

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Originally posted by Tsnyder

No... but I understand that cousin copulation is
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Originally posted by darkstar

Like usual, they gays must feel used, riden hard and put away wet...

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Like usual, they gays must feel used, riden hard and put away wet...

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You are bad! lol

But I'm worse... I'm awaiting the typical backlash over this. Because you can't be properly gay without that license, you know?

Gay marriage is as lame as a guy with no arms claiming discrimination because no band will hire him as a guitar player. This isn't discrimination, it's someone trying to mooch off something that wasn't meant for them. It's not discrimination to keep me out of a woman's restroom, even if I like women.

This has to be one of the silliest and wasteful PC arguments ever;

"We, being a sparse minority of abnormal members in nature and unaccepted in this society, demand the exact same things as the vast majority of normal members in nature and acceptable society, even though it makes no damn difference in what we are able to do at home on any given day.

We demand a piece of paper which changes nothing except to intrude upon the majority of society with something they don't want and allows us to skim resources that were set aside for biological parents. The minority opinion should always rule in a democratic society that relies upon a majority-voting procedure. It has always been this way and always should.

We demand this to be so, even though we are freely allowed to go elsewhere where our demands are already accepted in society. We also refuse to form our own society, because we are too busy accepting all of the benefits of this one without acknowledging that we receive any of them at all.

We demand full parental privileges and tax breaks, despite our being pseudo-parents and complete inability to reproduce without outside third-party intervention or normal methods that would not require us to whine or argue for parental rights. This is deserved, due to our willingness to use someone else's children to suit our own needs and inner desire to nurture, parent, or molest someone else's young children as we see fit.

We do not wish in any way to be heterosexual, but we demand to be exactly like heterosexuals. We shall never explain how that concept is valid. We are oppressed, because heterosexuals get everything they have always desired, at all times and by all laws. This is just not fair. We also want a pretty pony.

The needs or desires of any dependent child to have a normal upbringing under two opposite-sex parents are not to be considered for any reason, are completely irrelevant, and are secondary to our own adult desires. At no time shall the consideration of a minor and dependent child who is not allowed or unable to disagree with this upbringing or is being teased, ridiculed, outcast or shamed by society during their important formative years, take precedence over the desires of an adult homosexual parent who has matured enough to make their own life decisions.

Homosexuals deserve exceptional considerations, as we are a rising segment of society due to our unique ability to reproduce at a rate of zero percent and our argument that this is a genetic trait, which by our logic must have been passed down by people who could not reproduce. Logic is never to be used against our demands. At our current pace, we expect to grow our 1% into a major voting bloc of 1%, which is in our minds a large majority that will shape all future decisions by brute force or flowing tears. Join us now or be crushed later under our massive political weight and refusal to perm your wife's hair.

By yelling, whining and crying loud enough, we intend to lie, cheat and coerce the public until we get our way against what is obviously their will since the beginning of mankind.

So, it is whined, and so it shall be."

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Originally posted by Jonas

You would hold this view if you had a gay son that wanted nothing more than to be married? You can save that little gem (the part I bolded) for the 'ol "father to son."

Most people let stuff like this go unchecked because it doesn't involve them. It takes actual empathy to have the foresight to stand up for a group of people who will never attain a democratic majority.

I'm afraid you lack the cognitive function to truly understand my point. Or maybe you've been drilled with enough apathy on this subject to not bother to scrape a few neurons together for its cause. Once you do think it through, its obvious.

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Originally posted by djorge44

I am for gay marriage (it makes no difference for me), but to say they are being discriminated against is wrong (legally speaking).

A straight man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A straight man CAN not marry any man who will marry him.

A gay man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A gay man CAN NOT marry any man who will marry him.

The law is exactly the same for straight and gay citizens.

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Originally posted by nw@8brook

you left out a tiny little bit of info: marriage is about love and commitment to each other

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Originally posted by djorge44

I am for gay marriage (it makes no difference for me), but to say they are being discriminated against is wrong (legally speaking).

A straight man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A straight man CAN not marry any man who will marry him.

A gay man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A gay man CAN NOT marry any man who will marry him.

The law is exactly the same for straight and gay citizens.

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Originally posted by nw@8brook

wow! just how do you "promote the growth of homosexuality"? Was there a science breakthrough in genetics?

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Originally posted by GetLoans4me

Based on religion brain washed people on earth, they are living in a fear and paranoid. No wonder!

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Based on religion brain washed people on earth, they are living in a fear and paranoid. No wonder!

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Come on, I've given everyone here a chance to debate with me by not using God or religion in any manner and this is what you come up with? Guess my experiment failed.

I was hoping for a little back 'n forth, to stir the pot a little and see some interesting non-Obama and no-religion discussion for a bit from each side. Disappointing, to say the least. Oh, well, go get married if you want.

Gotta be something else we can talk about then. Obama do anything today? Did he go to church?

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Originally posted by GetLoans4me

What else is the main reason people refuse to support gay marriages and abortion without the brain washed influence from azzwipe religion groups? It's the only reason why people are against it.

I, for one, don't care for gay stuff and I do find them disgusting HOWEVER, it does not give me right to disciminate their marriage if they prefer themselves.

Don't you see, it's all about personal choice and it became a world wide fear that every chumps out there have to use religion as an excuse.

To answer your question about bawack's church stuff, I don't care whether if he goes to church or not. Why are Americans making a big f*kking deal about church stuff. Politics and Religion are to be separated eggheads@!!

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Originally posted by Jonas

You would hold this view if you had a gay son that wanted nothing more than to be married? You can save that little gem (the part I bolded) for the 'ol "father to son."

Most people let stuff like this go unchecked because it doesn't involve them. It takes actual empathy to have the foresight to stand up for a group of people who will never attain a democratic majority.

I'm afraid you lack the cognitive function to truly understand my point. Or maybe you've been drilled with enough apathy on this subject to not bother to scrape a few neurons together for its cause. Once you do think it through, its obvious.

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You, and an entire army of Liberaces alongside, will never be able to put me 'in check' on this, because I don't fall for the Jedi Mind-Trick of political-correctness. "You want this... No, I don't... Yes, you do... NO, I DON"T!" And you wonder why people get slugged over this? You falsely assume that there are no gay people in my family. We get along just fine. They could care less about being married.

Face it, you gay-marriage proponents have absolutely no backbone to your argument. All you have is a sympathetic feeling. That's it... the whole sham is based upon fools like yourself being tricked into being sympathetic for a bunch of confused, self-hating, perpetual 'victims' who seek neverending attention to confirm their own existence and deflect that what they are is 'abnormal'. Hey, I want a million bucks... go argue for me, too. I didn't earn it, but so what? It's perfectly normal for me to be a millionaire just because I say so.

Let's discuss 'normal'. The entire essence of life and our existence on Earth revolves around, and is dependent upon, reproduction. From the tiniest speck to the mightiest elm, reproduction is the only sustenance to life and a continuing ecosystem and balance upon this planet.

This makes it 'normal', or natural, for all living things to reproduce. It's the only way for a continuance of existence. Any living thing that does not is completely 'abnormal'. It has nothing to do with God, government, or prejudice... this has to do with the activity of life itself.

This makes any homosexual activity destructive to life and it's natural system. Apples without seeds would shortly turn into an empty orchard. An empty orchard is completely irrelevant to other apples, but very important to the system whereupon those apples are needed to sustain the life of something else. It's the chain that binds life to this world.

Let's also add a little more about 'irrelevance'. Ceasing to exist makes you irrelevant to the system of living. Engaging in activity that would make the human race disappear is hardly productive. In fact, it is destruction. If your existence is defined by activity that does not reproduce, you are completely irrelevant and destructive to any society.

Now let's talk 'humans'. Human beings saw the babies. They understood reproduction by nature itself. Societies formed, and those form with the goal of continuing existence of individuals which comprise it, so that we may perpetuate our species in a controlled environment. No society has ever been formed or governed with the intention of destroying itself, or to coddle to non-productive purposes and goals. Society's goal has always been to avoid the destruction of the human race. Humans did not become dominate on this planet by self-destructing.

Governments were introduced. Governing the society creates the laws and rules by which that society will continue to exist. At no time is the goal to end the society. Any rules or laws made that promote destructive behavior would be absurd.

Now let's put it all together. A society or government that accepts homosexual activity as normal would be self-destructing. A large majority of people are not going to be accepting of that. You can whine, yell, kick and cry, but you will always lose when promoting destruction within your own society.

Promoting the growth of homosexuality can only lead to reducing the human race. For what inane reason would any society find that acceptable, simply to please a few self-destructive individuals? And the harm is not in their self-destruction, it's in the growth of the activity. Society relies upon reproduction. The more people who refuse to reproduce, for any reason, the faster that society will die off.

So, marriage laws are introduced. They've been around for thousands of years. They aren't upheld by 'dinosaurs', because that would imply that nobody has accepted this situation for thousands of years. In fact, at no time during the history of civilized society have they NOT been accepted. This IS the norm, the accepted standard of societies.

These laws were made with the intent of promoting reproduction. Marriage incentives are legally granted not only to perpetuate the society, but also to do it in a manner where a dependent child is reared in the most comfortable and stable manner with BOTH types of adults to learn from until it can responsibly make choices for itself.

Non-mating people and homosexuals are not a part of that group in any way. Altering any of society's laws to allow them to benefit or promote people who can only destroy society would be imbecilic. Anyone who would agree with or be sympathetic towards that cause is also imbecilic, because you are ultimately promoting the destruction of the human race.

The main problem with homosexuals is the 'victim' card. You cannot scream or lie your way into being accepted by others, that is simply not how it works. You cannot spend your miniscule years on this planet and arrogantly think you overrule thousands of years of standards accepted by BILLIONS of other humans. You cannot base your entire existence upon the act of recreational sex. Mainly, it is not all about YOU.

There's a reason nobody is allowed to masturbate in public. There's a reason that I cannot hang out in a women's restroom just because I like to see a woman's sexual organs. The reason is that your desires come to a direct stop at bothering someone else. It is the bothering that is pissing everyone off.

You're damn right I would feel the same way and explain quite clearly to my son that he is not any more special or deserving of exceptions than a homeless man on the street. He would not waste his precious years attempting to impose his personal view above the will of a vast majority of people whose will counts just as much as his self-serving desires. My son would not be a pompous hypocrite who begs people to understand him while simultaneously making no attempt to understand them in return -- as in, my son would not be a self-centered jerk who thinks that he is better than millions of other people just because of his recreational sexual proclivities, which are quite meaningless to everyone else.

My son would know that a piece of paper would never define him as a person, that his existence is not challenged or threatened in any way by the lack of a license or a tax deduction that someone else might get. My son would also never beg or apply for a license with the knowledge that it wasn't meant for him in the first place. He would respect other people and the fact that they have struggles of their own which are a million times more important than where he likes to stick his wick.

He would understand the definition of 'futile' and work within the system applied to get as much accomplished as he can and worry about no more than what he can control. My son would focus on having his own act together. He would not worry about 'fitting in' and what he can't do, he'd be proud of himself for what he CAN do. My son would not TAKE what he wants, he'd EARN it, and that includes respect.

My son would also know that if he disagreed with my views, he is free to live elsewhere because I am not going to coddle him to feel that he will have everything handed to him in life, nor that whining is going to get him everything he wants. When I'm gone, he needs to be able to take care of himself. My son, gay or not, would be a fighter who accepted that challenges come along in life and that strength can be greatly shown by accepting defeat in minor philosophic battles so that you can survive the war of life itself.

If my son came up and said "Dad, I'm gay", he wouldn't be shivering in fear because he'd know that I'd say "Who gives a damn? Shut up during football." And that's what it comes down to... WHO gives a damn? The only people who give a damn are the self-created 'victims' and the weak chaff that coddles them by making them feel it's okay to whine your way through life. You can have that confirmation, but it comes from within and any attempt stops at the point where you want to alter something that BILLIONS of other people have been doing just fine for thousands of years without your interference.

Some people have a very hard time understanding that the word 'minority' means that you are outnumbered. If you don't like the democratic process, I don't see any bars across the exits. But it is asinine for you or anyone else to think that someone who is outnumbered is deserving of anything which has to be taken from the majority it was intended for; such as the tax money, breaks, or resources meant and reserved for married couples who commit to bearing the burden of reproducing children to secure the continued existence of this society. You cannot whine or shout your way into acceptance and, if you have any self-respect at all, you wouldn't want to in the first place.

Now, go suck on a neuron with the other low-hanging fruit, Mister Pompous. Save the insults for someone who cares about what you think.

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Originally posted by djorge44

I am for gay marriage (it makes no difference for me), but to say they are being discriminated against is wrong (legally speaking).

A straight man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A straight man CAN not marry any man who will marry him.

A gay man can marry any woman who will marry him.

A gay man CAN NOT marry any man who will marry him.

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Originally posted by nw@8brook

wow! just how do you "promote the growth of homosexuality"? Was there a science breakthrough in genetics?

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What does genetics have to do with being homosexual?

Let's see... A person has genes that make them 100% unable to desire the opposite sex and therefore unable to reproduce. And this person passed these genes down throughout man's history by....???

I believe that is properly called an 'impossibility'.

Bisexuality could be genetic, for sure, but that isn't a very convincing argument to alter laws by claiming you absolutely can't marry someone of the opposite sex.

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Originally posted by CreditRepGal

Hipocrites... there isn't a man on this post who doesnt enjoy a little girl on girl action

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and if you don't then you are probably gay...

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it's normal...

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I'm just making a point.... too many grey areas... Who are you to decide whats wrong only when it's convenient to you?

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Originally posted by cspatmon

...let's just say Miss Alina has strong opinions and it has nothing to do with making sense of them! LMAO!!!

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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy

Gay is not about sex .... its about love .... right?

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Hipocrites... there isn't a man on this post who doesnt enjoy a little girl on girl action

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Only if they're really... really... hot... lol

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and if you don't then you are probably gay...

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See above...

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I'm just making a point.... too many grey areas... Who are you to decide whats wrong only when it's convenient to you?

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No gray area at all. Rules are necessary to the governance of
an orderly society. The people... through their representatives
and direct votes... get to make the rules.

Government (in our society) exists to protect the rights of
individuals against the whims of the majority. And, this is
where the gay marriage folks have a problem.

Marriage involving state licensing is not a right... it's a privilege.

Given that fact, the majority gets to decide.... they have... 31 times
in 31 separate state elections.

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Ahhhhh but there was a time when the majority voted and decided black people were second class citizens and then we grew as a society and progressed and realized that black people were just the same as us.....

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Hipocrites... there isn't a man on this post who doesnt enjoy a little girl on girl action

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Only if they're really... really... hot... lol

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See above...

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I'm just making a point.... too many grey areas... Who are you to decide whats wrong only when it's convenient to you?

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No gray area at all. Rules are necessary to the governance of
an orderly society. The people... through their representatives
and direct votes... get to make the rules.

Government (in our society) exists to protect the rights of
individuals against the whims of the majority. And, this is
where the gay marriage folks have a problem.

Marriage involving state licensing is not a right... it's a privilege.

Given that fact, the majority gets to decide.... they have... 31 times
in 31 separate state elections.

Tsnyder

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Quite the ramble. Simply put, your argument is an opinion on the pointlessness of homosexuality as it pertains to continuing the species. It is devoid of compassion and understanding. It is no wonder that your current gay family members feel the way they do, since you think so highly of them.

My theory in motion. Bad parenting.

Selflessness, sacrifice, empathy...thats good parenting. Rationalize your plight all you like. If you have kids while you cross your fingers and hope they aren't gay, as you have, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids. End of story.

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Quite the ramble. Simply put, your argument is an opinion on the pointlessness of homosexuality as it pertains to continuing the species. It is devoid of compassion and understanding. It is no wonder that your current gay family members feel the way they do, since you think so highly of them.

My theory in motion. Bad parenting.

Selflessness, sacrifice, empathy...thats good parenting. Rationalize your plight all you like. If you have kids while you cross your fingers and hope they aren't gay, as you have, you shouldn't be allowed to have kids. End of story.

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I have no clue what you're smoking, that barely made sense. You are hexing me with the continuation of having no problems with my gay family members??? You think I wrote of a fear that my kid is gay??? Dude, you must be high as a kite on something.

I toss up the point that sympathy is the entire basis that pro gay-marriage people present and you slam-dunk it with "compassion and understanding"??? Your argument to change the definition of marriage is reliant upon "bad parenting"?

I gave you half a novel and you couldn't come back with a single logical argument against any of the points? Wow... a no-hitter! Where can I buy me some of that stuff?

PS - Sorry, but I also don't have any kids. I know of no plight that you speak. Carry on.

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If your male buddy was having sex with another guy would he be gay even if he didnt love the guy?

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Gay is not about sex .... its about love .... right?

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ummm, you don't pass every genome to your offsprings........ that would be call cloning. Say you have red hair, your child #1 may also have red hair but your child #2 may not. But the children of child #2 might. That easy enough?

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ummm, you don't pass every genome to your offsprings........ that would be call cloning. Say you have red hair, your child #1 may also have red hair but your child #2 may not. But the children of child #2 might. That easy enough?

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Um... You don't pass anything if you can't have kids.

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It must make no sense to those who don't understand. Sounds about right. The fact that you don't have kids is irrelevant to my argument. The fact that you are incapable of putting yourself into another's shoes is very relevant, however.

I'm just disappointed since you seem to be an open-minded, reasonable individual.

The weird thing is I don't even know any gay people. I just do what I feel is right.

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It must make no sense to those who don't understand. Sounds about right. The fact that you don't have kids is irrelevant to my argument. The fact that you are incapable of putting yourself into another's shoes is very relevant, however.

I'm just disappointed since you seem to be an open-minded, reasonable individual.

The weird thing is I don't even know any gay people. I just do what I feel is right.

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Boy, are you wrong about that. I put myself in other's shoes all the time. If I were gay, it wouldn't have anything to do with me knowing that I cannot supercede the will of the masses. I would not ruin the current system that isn't meant for me, I would work towards getting a system defined for people like me and be perfectly happy about it.

I did the exact same thing when fighting for visitation rights... I didn't whine to attempt to change the definition of 'parent', I tried to create an acknowledgment of a 'person who acted as a parent', and I did so because I knew there is a precedent for that upon a STATE-BY-STATE basis, just like licensing.

And you touch a less-weird thing... I DO know gay people, both here and down south. Worked with them, eat dinner with them, I'm friends with them, have them in my family. I don't know a single one of them that cares about being married.

I just had two lesbians at my house on Monday night and loaned them some money. The subject of sex or marriage never even came up. Their only concern is finding new jobs, since both were recently laid off. NORMAL problems, not whiny PC bullcrap. We worked on that for a few hours, watched movies with my sister, and I would guarantee you that they would not feel the same way about me that you do. I got two grateful hugs, one kiss, and a lot of smiles.

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This is my impression of Assassin in the 1870s.

"I know a bunch of women that don't mind not being able to vote. I had dinner with my Wife and mother in law and they couldn't understand what all the fuss is about."

Mind blowing argument!!

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