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VVance
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 Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:36:15 AM
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Uh-Oh....
Powell airs doubts on Obama agenda
By Jon Ward (Contact)
Originally published 11:44 a.m., July 3, 2009, updated 11:45 a.m., July 3, 2009
Colin Powell, one of President Obama's most prominent Republican supporters, expressed concern Friday that the president's ambitious blitz of costly initiatives may be enlarging the size of government and the federal debt too much.
"I'm concerned at the number of programs that are being presented, the bills associated with these programs and the additional government that will be needed to execute them," Mr. Powell said in an excerpt of an interview with CNN's John King, released by the network Friday morning.
Mr. Powell, a retired U.S. army general who rose to political prominence after a long and accomplished military career, said that health care reform and many of Mr. Obama's other initiatives are "important" to Americans.
But, he said, "one of the cautions that has to be given to the president -- and I've talked to some of his people about this -- is that you can't have so many things on the table that you can't absorb it all."
"And we can't pay for it all," said Mr. Powell, who was the first African-American to serve as secretary of state, under former President George W. Bush. He was also national security adviser to President Reagan, and was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President George H.W. Bush from 1989 to 1993.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/03/powell-airs-doubts-on-obama-agenda/
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ML
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:45:00 AM
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One would think, after loosing every ounce of credibility he had, before the United Nations and the entire free world, he would politely go into retirement and cease commenting on things that are outside his areas of expertise or direct chain of command? But, hey, that's me?
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assassin17
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:49:11 AM
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| Agreed. His credibility is already shot. Apparently he'll just follow whichever way the wind is blowing each day. |
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VVance
6500 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:53:57 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by ML
One would think, after loosing every ounce of credibility he had, before the United Nations and the entire free world, he would politely go into retirement and cease commenting on things that are outside his areas of expertise or direct chain of command? But, hey, that's me?
Yea, he was a useful tool for the left during the election. Now, watch that same left turn on him. |
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Tsnyder
10503 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:59:59 AM
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Funny how the Lefties all tooted their horns when Powell
announced his support for Obama during the campaign but now
want him to to go away quietly...
Tsnyder |
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VVance
6500 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:08:32 AM
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| Kind of like Cindy Sheehan? |
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cspatmon
5276 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:18:03 AM
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| Everyone has doubts.....yawn..... |
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assassin17
7691 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:27:39 AM
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Those doubts come from proven history that these same economic tactics have never worked except to prolong or create economic downfall.
If you have evidence of it ever working, I'm all ears. |
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VVance
6500 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 11:41:32 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
Everyone has doubts.....yawn.....
You need a new word.... |
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Rampart
1269 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 9:12:09 PM
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| The good General was snookered like many others, that makes him more real, not less relevant. |
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darkstar
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 04:28:04 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Rampart
The good General was snookered like many others, that makes him more real, not less relevant.
Snookered?...Yeah right, he voted for color like many others, now it's biting him...
When you use the dumbest reason in the world to vote for someone, you get what you deserve...The sad part is the rest of us suffer for that same stupidity... |
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Rampart
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 04:36:17 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
quote:
Originally posted by Rampart
The good General was snookered like many others, that makes him more real, not less relevant.
Snookered?...Yeah right, he voted for color like many others, now it's biting him...
When you use the dumbest reason in the world to vote for someone, you get what you deserve...The sad part is the rest of us suffer for that same stupidity...
I may be wrong, but in the General's case I don't think it was entirely about color. I wouldn't call all of the people who voted for him stupid for being mislead. |
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darkstar
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 05:45:32 AM
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>>>> I wouldn't call all of the people who voted for him stupid for being mislead.
I didn't either, just those that voted for a 'color'... |
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Rampart
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 05:51:22 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
>>>> I wouldn't call all of the people who voted for him stupid for being mislead.
I didn't either, just those that voted for a 'color'...
You must be pretty darned good at reading people's minds then, to be able to determine one's motives for voting for the guy. If General Powell had been white would you still accuse him of voting color? What of the white high ranking military officers, active and retired, that voted for him? |
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darkstar
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 07:37:42 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Rampart
quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
>>>> I wouldn't call all of the people who voted for him stupid for being mislead.
I didn't either, just those that voted for a 'color'...
You must be pretty darned good at reading people's minds then, to be able to determine one's motives for voting for the guy. If General Powell had been white would you still accuse him of voting color? What of the white high ranking military officers, active and retired, that voted for him?
I draw my opinion from his flip flop on all previously supported views to support Obama, I don't believe he changed his mind on ALL of them...Did he change party affiliation yet?...
Also, Obama's plans haven't changed, just Powells mind...Again... |
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homebroker@sbcgl
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 09:16:05 AM
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Powell voted for Obama because he was racist and could not see past skin color, now he is goes back to his true roots and recognizes his mistake.
This is why we should always be colorblind and vote based on merit and experience, never should the color of someone skin be a reason to vote for them or not.
Considering 95% of African Americans voted for Obama shows how little progress has been achieved in race relations between races over the years.. Racism is very alive today as reflected on Nov 4. |
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assassin17
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 10:16:14 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Rampart
I may be wrong, but in the General's case I don't think it was entirely about color.
Yep, you're wrong.
Colin Powell ran his mouth for years as a bastion of conservatism, much as most military mindsets are, since armed defense is a firmly-entenched concept of conservatism. There is no other possible reason for a man's brain to flip-flop its entire lifelong orientation that fast other than blunt trauma to the skull. We're not talking about a 20 year-old here, this is a grown man with many years to form his persona... It simply cannot happen.
He sold out for color and everyone knows it -- Proof being that he did not openly back Bill Clinton for election with a much-more moderate set of Democratic principles and very strong backing from the black community. To claim that Powell was waiting for someone with a complete Socialist agenda would be a joke... No lifelong US serviceman would vote for a Socialist. This was all about "Hey, he's half-black and he's gonna win... I better jump on the popularity-train!"
Powell is the epitome of an Uncle Tom, smiling for 'the Man' until he thought the Man was dead, then smiling for the new Man. He is persona non grata now, evidenced by the GOP ignoring this great chance to jump on his comments. 'The Man' has moved on to hire a new bodyguard, as the old one was merely a bootlicker. Funny thing is, he erased his own page in history with one move. What an idiot. |
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ritabradley01
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 11:12:44 AM
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I was really disappointed with his flip/flop too and I agree that race had everything to do with it.
At least he has the humility to admit he may have made a mistake. |
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khoiey
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Posted - 07/04/2009 : 5:17:48 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
Powell voted for Obama because he was racist and could not see past skin color, now he is goes back to his true roots and recognizes his mistake.
This is why we should always be colorblind and vote based on merit and experience, never should the color of someone skin be a reason to vote for them or not.
Considering 95% of African Americans voted for Obama shows how little progress has been achieved in race relations between races over the years.. Racism is very alive today as reflected on Nov 4.
LOL... I agree. People tend to think that racism only goes from white to minorities. Do they still think it's racism if it's from black to white? |
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CoolMtgGuy
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 7:28:55 PM
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Gen. Powell is still a Republican who would get more votes than any of the other Republican weaklings who dream of becoming POTUS ... but he is too smart for that. He will remain the in party and help it eat itself from within. Watch and learn ...
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Rampart
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 7:37:33 PM
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Sure there is racism, on all sides. However in Powell's case I think he saw Obama, as many did from all races, as someone who would be different, someone to have hope in for the change some people wanted. Many of us saw him for what he really was, a politician who would say anything to garner support while saying nothing of any real substance.
I stand by my assessment that Gen. Powell was snookered and shame on him, I thought he was smarter than that. The problem was that McCain never really instilled the people with enough confidence in his ability to lead us anywhere, so the guy with the charisma and the freshness of being a minority was who the majority put their money on. He won and is doing all of the things things that all of us who voted against him knew he would do.
To call the man an Uncle Tom is ridiculous and is unfair. Give the guy a break, he's just another human being that fell for the campaign's bs. That he is coming forward now with his comments has renewed my respect for his opinions even though I was very disappointed and disagreed with his decision to support Obama the way he did. |
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frank drigotas j
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 8:47:56 PM
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Powell leaves me conflicted.
First, I thought his military credentials and bearing demanded attention.
Then I realized he had been misled in his speech to the UN about WMD.
Then I applauded when he resigned from that administration because of the duplicity.
When he endorsed President Obama I thought he was brave, given his own party affiliation.
Now that he is critical of the Oval Office, I am left wondering what the heck is he about?
I am disappointed.
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assassin17
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Posted - 07/05/2009 : 10:18:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Rampart
To call the man an Uncle Tom is ridiculous and is unfair.
n. Offensive.
A Black person who is regarded as being humiliatingly subservient or deferential to white people.
[After Uncle Tom, a character in Uncle Tom's Cabin, a novel by Harriet Beecher Stowe.]
I could have said "Janus", but fewer people would know that term. I present him as being a two-faced hypocrite, which is why I didn't say 'White Man'. I made it clear that 'the Man' I referred was whomever is in charge. I stand by the comment for two reasons;
1 - If he is telling the truth about his love for Obama, who is radically different than anyone that Powell has ever backed before, then he was indeed lying to everyone else just to get ahead for many years. By not backing previous Democrats, if he truly does have this Democrat mindset, the only difference I can see is the color has changed. He didn't back Hillary when SHE was the front-runner, did he? Nor did he back Obama until he saw a clear-cut lead emerge. He's a classic front-running flopper.
I also see no reason for him to claim to be a Republican when Obama's values are so completely opposite on the political spectrum as to place him near Communist in his views. That's two-faced, any way you slice it.
2 - If he is not telling the truth, then he switched for race alone, because he would indeed have Republican values and no other possible reason to back Obama's opposite views. Now that the heat is on, he wants to jump ship back, like the two-faced rat that he is. This is very different from Oprah, who has worked on issues for black people for many years; Powell hasn't done jack except say "Yes, sir" to the boss to keep his job.
I'm calling him an Uncle Tom for the "embarassment" factor. By shifting to whomever is the latest fad, he destroys the credibility of blacks who DID back Democratic candidates, no matter what their color was.
It's pretty simple, since you only have to go back as far as his non-alignment with Bill Clinton to begin questioning his motives. He just wasn't sure that Clinton would beat out the incumbent 'Man' in charge. He has much less credibility than the people who worked so hard for Shirley Chisholm many years ago, knowing full well that she would never win. It's about principles and he doesn't appear to have any. He should stick to war, because he has no honor. If the leading candidate were a Martian, Powell would go buy green face-paint -- That's the main point. Let's just call him "Uncle Gizotron" then, it's the same result.
As for being a Republican nominee -- Not a chance in hell. Nobody trusts a flopper. Why do you think Ron Paul has no credibility in the party? Powell is an outcast forever. |
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Tsnyder
10503 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2009 : 10:56:30 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
Gen. Powell is still a Republican who would get more votes than any of the other Republican weaklings who dream of becoming POTUS ... but he is too smart for that. He will remain the in party and help it eat itself from within. Watch and learn ...
For a guy who claims to have been a Republican for
many years you really don't know much about the party.
Powell couldn't get the party nomination let alone win
a general election. He stands for nothing.
This is nothing new... it's been discussed a long time ago.
Tsnyder |
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darkstar
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 04:16:00 AM
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| Powell is just one of many men of color that sold their convictions and beliefs over a color and cost the nation dearly because of it...We have members that admitting to voting for him for no other reason than it was "culture thing"(color)... |
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