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GetLoans4me
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 Posted - 07/03/2009 : 08:57:20 AM
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M jackson died of cardiac arrest, billy mays died of heart complications or diseases
then I found out three dudes in upper 40s are having heart attacks and three of them are in hospital (different places).
Geezus, are we men in upper 40s and early 50s are being punished? |
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cspatmon
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 09:01:40 AM
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 09:09:38 AM
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
M jackson died of cardiac arrest, billy mays died of heart complications or diseases
then I found out three dudes in upper 40s are having heart attacks and three of them are in hospital (different places).
Geezus, are we men in upper 40s and early 50s are being punished?
Jackson died of drug related cardiac arrest. Mays died because he was fat and out of shape, with an undiagnosed heart disease. You can't abuse yourself for a lifetime and expect to be healthy.
Men in their upper 40's & 50's that do not take care of themselves and have full yearly physicals are begging for a heart attack, along with numerous other problems.
I'm in great shape, better than most 20 & 30 year olds. I still have a full yearly physical. It's funny that you brought up this topic because it was just done yesterday. I usually do it around my birthday, but Jackson & Mays motivated me to have it done sooner.
The bottom line is that you have to eat right, excercise and stay in shape or you will more than likely have serious health problems. Drug rehab for Jackson and a thorough physical for Mays, would have saved both their lives. |
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rudeness
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 10:16:50 AM
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Originally posted by stewpot
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Originally posted by rudeness
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
M jackson died of cardiac arrest, billy mays died of heart complications or diseases
then I found out three dudes in upper 40s are having heart attacks and three of them are in hospital (different places).
Geezus, are we men in upper 40s and early 50s are being punished?
Jackson died of drug related cardiac arrest. Mays died because he was fat and out of shape, with an undiagnosed heart disease. You can't abuse yourself for a lifetime and expect to be healthy.
Men in their upper 40's & 50's that do not take care of themselves and have full yearly physicals are begging for a heart attack, along with numerous other problems.
I'm in great shape, better than most 20 & 30 year olds. I still have a full yearly physical. It's funny that you brought up this topic because it was just done yesterday. I usually do it around my birthday, but Jackson & Mays motivated me to have it done sooner.
The bottom line is that you have to eat right, excercise and stay in shape or you will more than likely have serious health problems. Drug rehab for Jackson and a thorough physical for Mays, would have saved both their lives.
You are partially right. Genetics have a lot to do with heart disease and Cholesteol clogged arteries. During your annual physical ask to have your cholesterol checked. My mother has had heart problems(by-pass I have had heart problems (by-pass) and now my son age 40 just had a bypass. Dit and excercise are great starts for a healthy heart, but there are additional steps that can be taken.
No... I'm 100% right. You are correct that genetics can play a part, this is why I said you need to get A FULL & THOUROUGH PHYSICAL EACH YEAR. If any doctor does not check cholesterol, you need a new doctor. That is a standard no-brainer, even without a family history.
Even thou genetics plays a part, it does not even come close to contributing to disease as much as the things under your control. Do you know what 2 tests men should always have, in addition to the standard testing that may even have had an influence on your son's condition? |
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frank drigotas j
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 12:23:24 PM
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Heart diseases are the leading cause of death in US males, over twice as many as from cancers of ALL kinds.
Personally, I think heredity and genetics play a huge role in death by heart disease. I'm sure there are stats.
http://danger.mongabay.com/causes_of_death_male.htm
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darkstar
25948 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 2:24:44 PM
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The human body is just a machine and it's not one where it can be proven that taking better care of it will make you live longer...Argue till your blue in the face, health fanatics and children drop dead every day from something failing with never abusing themselves...
Some people get cancer from 2nd hand smoke over a period of time, some can smoke cigars every waking moment and never cough...If doing things that you think will make you live longer make you feel better, than their good, if starving and depriving yourself frustrates you, it's not...
Each part of your body has a timer on it, we all just hope the first one doesn't go off until we're late in life but there isn't much you can do to prevent it...Find it sooner possibly, but you can't stop it, it's predetermined in your genes... |
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rudeness
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 3:44:46 PM
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Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
Heart diseases are the leading cause of death in US males, over twice as many as from cancers of ALL kinds.
Personally, I think heredity and genetics play a huge role in death by heart disease. I'm sure there are stats.
http://danger.mongabay.com/causes_of_death_male.htm
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This is true and you are correct, that heredity and genetics play a huge role in death by heart disease. What you are omitting is the fact that many men predisposed to heart disease do not stay in shape and put themselves at much greater risk by not being checked out properly each year. Much of the heart disease can be prevented. |
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 3:48:56 PM
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Originally posted by stewpot
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Originally posted by frank drigotas jr
Heart diseases are the leading cause of death in US males, over twice as many as from cancers of ALL kinds.
Personally, I think heredity and genetics play a huge role in death by heart disease. I'm sure there are stats.
http://danger.mongabay.com/causes_of_death_male.htm
dollar
You are absolutely right Frank. Heredity and genetics do play a large role in heart disease. Diet and excercise can reduce the risk factor, but only reduce. I did not want to argue with Rudeness (not that I have anything against him) but having had 5 heart attacks, and having spent as much time around heart specialists, I have a pretty fair understanding of heart disease and its causes. None of my heart attacks were of the major kind, as I was fortunate.
I'm not saying it only takes diet and exrcise. It requires a lifestyle change and possibly medication, but it can be significantly lowered and possibly prevented. When did your son start having full physicals each year? When did you? If you answer honestly, I bet it was well after you should have. |
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/03/2009 : 3:50:06 PM
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Originally posted by darkstar
The human body is just a machine and it's not one where it can be proven that taking better care of it will make you live longer...Argue till your blue in the face, health fanatics and children drop dead every day from something failing with never abusing themselves...
Some people get cancer from 2nd hand smoke over a period of time, some can smoke cigars every waking moment and never cough...If doing things that you think will make you live longer make you feel better, than their good, if starving and depriving yourself frustrates you, it's not...
Each part of your body has a timer on it, we all just hope the first one doesn't go off until we're late in life but there isn't much you can do to prevent it...Find it sooner possibly, but you can't stop it, it's predetermined in your genes...
I like you DarkCloud, but this may very well be the dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. |
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toddblue
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 7:17:48 PM
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In the meantime, treat your body nice. Just like oil chamges and tune-ups. Use the good stuff. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Originally posted by darkstar
The human body is just a machine and it's not one where it can be proven that taking better care of it will make you live longer...Argue till your blue in the face, health fanatics and children drop dead every day from something failing with never abusing themselves...
Some people get cancer from 2nd hand smoke over a period of time, some can smoke cigars every waking moment and never cough...If doing things that you think will make you live longer make you feel better, than their good, if starving and depriving yourself frustrates you, it's not...
Each part of your body has a timer on it, we all just hope the first one doesn't go off until we're late in life but there isn't much you can do to prevent it...Find it sooner possibly, but you can't stop it, it's predetermined in your genes...
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darkstar
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 8:00:14 PM
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>>>In the meantime, treat your body nice. Just like oil chamges and tune-ups. Use the good stuff. Garbage in, garbage out.
Of course, I'm not saying abuse it, but if trying to be healthy effects you mentally and you're not happy about the method, you're defeating the purpose...Good mental health can lead to good physical health, IME, that was my main message which I obviously didn't communicate well... |
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VVance
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Posted - 07/03/2009 : 8:02:46 PM
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velecico
5250 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2009 : 9:16:14 PM
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If you do all the right things you will encrease your life expectancy less than .5% , what that means , when its time to go , its time to go , you can be in 50 and feel you are in better than shape than a 20 - 30 year old , and have a massive stroke the next day , my mom at 50 ran a marathon and could swim 1 hour in the ocean , always ate " right " , had bloodwork done 2 times per year , at 70 doctors told her she had the heart and organs of someone 20-30 years younger , last month she had a stroke , it bled , after 35 days in hospice she passed away.
When its time to go , its time to go , if she had eaten a few bacon cheeseburgers , never done excercise and not gone to the doctor frequently , what difference would it have made ? .
Live life , if you dont mind being fat and like food , dont worry about it , if you like excercise , by all means , do it , but if you hate it , its not going to do much to prolong your life and you will be miserable for many more years , is that worth prolonging ? |
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lemeuss
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Posted - 07/06/2009 : 3:12:50 PM
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Originally posted by velecico
If you do all the right things you will encrease your life expectancy less than .5% , what that means , when its time to go , its time to go , you can be in 50 and feel you are in better than shape than a 20 - 30 year old , and have a massive stroke the next day , my mom at 50 ran a marathon and could swim 1 hour in the ocean , always ate " right " , had bloodwork done 2 times per year , at 70 doctors told her she had the heart and organs of someone 20-30 years younger , last month she had a stroke , it bled , after 35 days in hospice she passed away.
When its time to go , its time to go , if she had eaten a few bacon cheeseburgers , never done excercise and not gone to the doctor frequently , what difference would it have made ? .
Live life , if you dont mind being fat and like food , dont worry about it , if you like excercise , by all means , do it , but if you hate it , its not going to do much to prolong your life and you will be miserable for many more years , is that worth prolonging ?
Do you have anything to support that? I can't imagine that not smoking, not drinking in excess, and maintaining a healthy weight and BMI does not increase expectancy by more than .5%?
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 08:14:09 AM
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Originally posted by velecico
If you do all the right things you will encrease your life expectancy less than .5% , what that means , when its time to go , its time to go , you can be in 50 and feel you are in better than shape than a 20 - 30 year old , and have a massive stroke the next day , my mom at 50 ran a marathon and could swim 1 hour in the ocean , always ate " right " , had bloodwork done 2 times per year , at 70 doctors told her she had the heart and organs of someone 20-30 years younger , last month she had a stroke , it bled , after 35 days in hospice she passed away.
When its time to go , its time to go , if she had eaten a few bacon cheeseburgers , never done excercise and not gone to the doctor frequently , what difference would it have made ? .
Live life , if you dont mind being fat and like food , dont worry about it , if you like excercise , by all means , do it , but if you hate it , its not going to do much to prolong your life and you will be miserable for many more years , is that worth prolonging ?
There are so many things wrong with this statement, that I can't list them all. Sorry about your mom bud, but bad things do sometimes happen to good people. Your mother was the exception, not the rule. You are making statements based on emotion...not fact!
BTW...you do realize that just because bloodwork comes back within normal ranges, does not mean it's good don't you? |
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frank drigotas j
3845 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 12:58:12 PM
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"Live, laugh, love, and eat drink and be merry are my sentiments."
stewpot, above
Amen to that.
I've seen too many fitness fanatics suddenly die to believe otherwise. Many were good friends: runners, vegetarians, workout enthusiasts of all kinds, etc. I also have had immediate family members with absolutely no so called vices suddenly become sick and pass away.
I've watched the parade of non lethal but debilitating developments to individuals...bad knees and hips, onset diabetes, heart attacks and drastic surgery, ski injuries, etc, etc. I've had friends die climbing mountains, doing pushups, running a road race, dieting...
I think your own body tells you what you can do and what you should not. Yes, I believe in seeing a doctor and being tested, and I believe in moderation, whether it be diet or exercise. I believe in preventative medicine.
I was told at one time that coffee was bad for me. Then a study showed it was beneficial. I think the latest news was it was harmful. I have learned that almost every news article about health has a source that possesses a stake in what you do.
While Nick espouses an extreme view, I share his underlying thought: fitness does not trump mortality. Your end is absolutely inevitable, do you hear? It is guaranteed.
And never, never forget the proverbial speeding truck.
Carpe diem meant, and means, enjoy/seize the day, and the followers of that Roman motto, contrary to stereotype, did it in moderation.
Dance like no one is watching, friends. Don't ever let anyone dictate how you gyrate.
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rudeness
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Posted - 07/08/2009 : 2:10:07 PM
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I'm not saying that you have to be a health nut and go completely off the deep end with an all or nothing mentality. I'm in great shape, but not excessive with the nutrition and excercise. I eat right and get 3-5 days of excercise each week, but I also misbehave on occasion and eat many things that I should not, just not to excess.
The facts are very simple to understand. More than 25 million Americans over the age of 20 are diabetic and another 50 million are pre diabetic. This totals about one third of the Americans over 20. Would you care to guess the #1 cause of this?
Yes that's correct... being an overweight, out-of-shape, slob that eats anything within reach, while completely neglecting to do any excercise what-so-ever. Did you also know that pre diabetics and diabetics alike, are 50% more likely to develop arterial & heart disease?
Do you really believe that the risk for this group is anywhere near the same, as it is for someone that actually gives a shiit about their health? Not even close! Learning to manage your labs and having a little respect for yourself goes a long, long ways towards extending your life.
BTW Frank... people born in your generation back in the 1800's are eventually going to die of something! 
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frank drigotas j
3845 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 2:52:00 PM
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Please say it isn't so !
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GetLoans4me
2425 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 3:26:24 PM
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Some dude I just know had a second heart attack within 2 weeks. He's having a surgery and he has no insurance. There goes our tax dollars.
so much for not having universal health care.. duh |
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benjamin
6862 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 3:45:24 PM
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Beer. MJ.
Check the stats on those that use. |
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 5:11:25 PM
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Some dude I just know had a second heart attack within 2 weeks. He's having a surgery and he has no insurance. There goes our tax dollars.
so much for not having universal health care.. duh
Universal healthcare just means that you will be paying for his healthcare. |
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rudeness
5193 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 5:14:48 PM
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Originally posted by benjamin
Beer. MJ.
Check the stats on those that use.
There are nearly 1.5 million new cases of lung cancer in the US each year with over 95% being cigarette related. Just under 500,000 deaths per year due to cigarettes. |
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clarenceworley
5654 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2009 : 5:15:07 PM
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Give blood.
It is actually good for you(strengthens the immune system) and you get a free cholesterol test, Blood Pressure test, and resting pulse- plus free snacks. |
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