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JoefromPhilly

766 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  11:12:34 AM
Homeowners who modified loans are in trouble again

Monday December 8, 1:14 pm ET
By Alan Zibel, AP Real Estate Writer
Banking regulators say more than half of homeowners who modified loans are in default again

WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than half of all homeowners who had their loans modified to make the payments more affordable in the first half of the year are already in default again, banking regulators said Monday.

The new data raise questions about whether government money may be better spent on creating jobs, rather than averting foreclosures, said John Reich, director of the federal Office of Thrift Supervision office at a housing industry forum sponsored by his agency.

"I do have concerns about allocating federal resources" Reich said.

However, many experts claim the bulk of loan modifications don't actually provide much financial relief for borrowers.

The government's data don't include enough detail about the types of the loan modifications that were made, said Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. "The quality of the (modifications) are not what they should be," she said.

The U.S. economic picture has darkened over the past month. One in 10 Americans with a mortgage is either behind or in foreclosure, and more than 500,000 jobs were lost in November.

Unemployment stands at 6.7 percent, and the worldwide credit markets have only improved modestly from the freeze that led Congress to approve a $700 billion bailout before the election.

Discussion on Monday's focused on how broad the government's intervention should be, rather than whether the government should play any role at all. The U.S. is on track for 2.25 million foreclosures this year.

"We need a bottom-up approach, in my view, by modifying people's mortgages and helping them stay in their homes," said New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine.

Corzine called for a three to six month halt to foreclosures while the government works out a more aggressive plan.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, said the public is likely to be more sympathetic to efforts to assist troubled borrowers, because the link between the foreclosure crisis and the sinking economy is increasingly clear to most Americans.

"It's now in every corner of the country," Zandi said. "I think that people understand that this is a broader issue."

During an interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," President-elect Barack Obama declined to say how large an economic stimulus plan he envisions. He said his blueprint for recovery will include help for homeowners facing foreclosure on their mortgages if President George W. Bush has not already acted when Obama takes office next month.

For nearly a year, some consumer advocates, lawmakers and think tanks have advocated a dramatic government response. The effort, they say, should be similar to created the Home Owners' Loan Corp. in 1933 to help borrowers refinance troubled home loans during the Great Depression.

The Bush administration has focused mainly on voluntary industry efforts to modify loans, and those have not stopped the surge in foreclosures.

Source:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081208/financial_meltdown.html
MortgageBoarder

6494 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  11:20:51 AM
The problem is the big lenders just "handing out" mods to people who have ARMs. If qualified correctly, those who are likely to default again should not be granted a modification in the first place.

I don't know how everyone else qualifies their clients, but we look at the big picture when taking on cases, and if it looks like the client will be in trouble either way, we will not propose they pursue a mod.

"Mods not working" would only be valid if all mods went back into default. Obviously some are doing just fine since their mod was completed, so it is a matter of getting the right mod candidates in the door, and advising the others that you do not see a mod being any help.

Lastly, let's not forget that variables do and will continue to come up AFTER mods are complete. Nothing is constant in this market, so job losses will continue and many people who got a mod and have been paying on it for the last 6 months, could be in a different position in the snap of a finger. Some things are just out of our hands...
johnnyboy38109

4357 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  11:26:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JoefromPhilly

Homeowners who modified loans are in trouble again

Monday December 8, 1:14 pm ET
By Alan Zibel, AP Real Estate Writer
Banking regulators say more than half of homeowners who modified loans are in default again

WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than half of all homeowners who had their loans modified to make the payments more affordable in the first half of the year are already in default again, banking regulators said Monday.

The new data raise questions about whether government money may be better spent on creating jobs, rather than averting foreclosures, said John Reich, director of the federal Office of Thrift Supervision office at a housing industry forum sponsored by his agency.

"I do have concerns about allocating federal resources" Reich said.

However, many experts claim the bulk of loan modifications don't actually provide much financial relief for borrowers.

The government's data don't include enough detail about the types of the loan modifications that were made, said Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. "The quality of the (modifications) are not what they should be," she said.

The U.S. economic picture has darkened over the past month. One in 10 Americans with a mortgage is either behind or in foreclosure, and more than 500,000 jobs were lost in November.

Unemployment stands at 6.7 percent, and the worldwide credit markets have only improved modestly from the freeze that led Congress to approve a $700 billion bailout before the election.

Discussion on Monday's focused on how broad the government's intervention should be, rather than whether the government should play any role at all. The U.S. is on track for 2.25 million foreclosures this year.

"We need a bottom-up approach, in my view, by modifying people's mortgages and helping them stay in their homes," said New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine.

Corzine called for a three to six month halt to foreclosures while the government works out a more aggressive plan.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, said the public is likely to be more sympathetic to efforts to assist troubled borrowers, because the link between the foreclosure crisis and the sinking economy is increasingly clear to most Americans.

"It's now in every corner of the country," Zandi said. "I think that people understand that this is a broader issue."

During an interview that aired Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," President-elect Barack Obama declined to say how large an economic stimulus plan he envisions. He said his blueprint for recovery will include help for homeowners facing foreclosure on their mortgages if President George W. Bush has not already acted when Obama takes office next month.

For nearly a year, some consumer advocates, lawmakers and think tanks have advocated a dramatic government response. The effort, they say, should be similar to created the Home Owners' Loan Corp. in 1933 to help borrowers refinance troubled home loans during the Great Depression.

The Bush administration has focused mainly on voluntary industry efforts to modify loans, and those have not stopped the surge in foreclosures.

Source:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081208/financial_meltdown.html




Excellent post.
JoefromPhilly

766 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  11:26:56 AM
I guess the point of the article is whether or not the government should be spending our money on bailouts as opposed to job creation. I personally do not believe that we can "cure" all social ills with bailout funds without some sort of major reprecussion later on.

- Joe
clydesnodgrass

772 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  11:34:08 AM
It said it on the news - so it has to be extremely accurate, right?

Are these the same banking regulators that told Congress everything was "a-okay" with Stated loans and no-doc loans back in 2006 when people raised eyebrows?

I read in the news that Brittney Spears was pregnant again and Tom Cruise gave up Scientology. ;)
jresn02

371 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  2:02:00 PM
it is b/c they are not getting at the root of the problem which is the negative equity. Hard to convince someone to pay who is 250K upsidedown on a home they just bought REGARDLESS of what rate you give them.
khoiey

2966 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  2:06:49 PM
Maybe those people shouldn't buy a home in the first place???!!! Gov thinks it must be ARM but really some people aren't financially responsible. Hence, late payments, max out credit cards etc. I can't wait to see this blow up.
mudshark

3919 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  2:37:29 PM
Many of these "mods" were nothing more than disguised forebearance agreements along with those that were handed out without thoroughly qualifying the borrower. When done right and qualified properly without hidden "time bombs" there is a very high retention factor.
Brianquigley

2239 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  2:41:05 PM
I agree Mark. You have to usually spend 3-5 months in a special forebearance before a modification would even be an option right.
samurai

2351 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  3:10:38 PM
<<<I would venture a guess that most of the failures are the ones where the lender offered a cheesy option and the desperate homeowner took it to ease their pain not looking at the long term and that it wasn't sufficient...Any idea on those numbers?!?!?!>>>

A lot of the mod offers were simply a means to force borrowers to waive their rights against lenders. They drop their payment by $100 and give them a new contract to sign under pressure. I see it every day.
Brianquigley

2239 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  3:12:08 PM
Or they add all the arrearage to the back of the loan, and give you maybe 2 months to come up with your first payment, which is huge.
dkendall1979

13278 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  3:13:46 PM
From reading the posting, I take that almost half of the "modified loans" are actually current?

Sounds like it's working to me.
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