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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
 Posted - 12/05/2008 : 6:35:34 PM
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| Once again, there is no true NCAA football Championship series. There's too many toilet bowls out there and FLUSHED. |
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TheFinancier
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 8:16:37 PM
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You've obviously never played college football... Your attitude belongs in the toilet.
Those bowls are important to the kids and the communities that are represented in these bowls. The other bowls give the kids a sense of pride and accomplishment even though they are not playing for the national title.
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rtrefflich
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Posted - 12/05/2008 : 9:03:44 PM
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| They are very important to the conferences and teams playing because they will bring in millions of dollars. Tradition is no longer in bowl games. |
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jvanpetten
3928 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 08:10:42 AM
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| Believe me, my husband will watch every toilet bowl they televise. True sport fans don't care, they just like to watch someone play. When the good bowls come along, he is like a little kid. |
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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 08:28:01 AM
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Wrong! I played football in NCAA division level before
Without playoffs, there is no true NCAA championship. You could never tell by having too many toilet bowls out there and no way in chance each top 8 teams can prove themselves.
Therefore, I stand my opinion that is, too many toilet bowls are flushed. |
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SolarMTG
473 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 09:04:17 AM
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Wrong! I played football in NCAA division level before
Without playoffs, there is no true NCAA championship. You could never tell by having too many toilet bowls out there and no way in chance each top 8 teams can prove themselves.
Therefore, I stand my opinion that is, too many toilet bowls are flushed.
Looks like there will be an 8 team playoff next year. Only problem will be the 9 and 10 team will complain that they should be in too. Oh well. I guess that's how it goes. |
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 09:10:15 AM
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It is pretty sad that every other Division in College Football & every other sport for that matter has a playoff system except DIVI College Football. DIVI is all about the money & as long as the University Presidents have a say so in this it'll stay screwed up. Bowl games do give the kids a sense of pride and accomplishment, but they also give the Universities a month to hit up boosters & alumni w perks in exchange for donations & a great recruiting tool for the HS players.
Dont fool yourself into thinking that the Bowls are set up for the kids. Their set up to maximize money for the colleges, plain & simple. |
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jvanpetten
3928 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 10:04:01 AM
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Originally posted by 808
Dont fool yourself into thinking that the Bowls are set up for the kids. Their set up to maximize money for the colleges, plain & simple.
Absolutely!
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MisterVA
8643 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 7:23:18 PM
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I think 16 should be in a playoff. Limit games to 11 and if the conference has a playoff that game would not be included in the 11 but would have to be completed by 12/1. First round hosted by top 8 schools. Last 3 rounds at bowl sites.
TT coach had a good idea for tie-breaker....graduation rate. |
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TheFinancier
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 7:51:48 PM
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We are talking about Bowls here. We are not talking about playoffs, because I am for a playoff.
If you are not playing in one of the top 5 or 6 rated bowls... you are simply playing for pride & money, (YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT!) and I guarantee you most schools with a 7-4 record playing in lower tiered Bowl (realistically) know that they should not be playing for the national title. (YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ALSO!)
Even Boise State @ 12-0 knows that they should not be playing for the title. With the weak schedule they had.
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Wrong! I played football in NCAA division level before
Without playoffs, there is no true NCAA championship. You could never tell by having too many toilet bowls out there and no way in chance each top 8 teams can prove themselves.
Therefore, I stand my opinion that is, too many toilet bowls are flushed.
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TheFinancier
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 7:52:45 PM
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If you dont like them then don't watch. I LOVE THEM!!
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Once again, there is no true NCAA football Championship series. There's too many toilet bowls out there and FLUSHED.
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KipW
933 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 06:11:42 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
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Originally posted by TheFinancier
You've obviously never played college football... Your attitude belongs in the toilet.
Those bowls are important to the kids and the communities that are represented in these bowls. The other bowls give the kids a sense of pride and accomplishment even though they are not playing for the national title.
Times must have changed since I went to college, I know when I was there a bowl game was just another excuse to get trashed...
ROAD TRIP! |
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WelcomeBackBanke
1738 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 06:34:16 AM
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| GO FLORIDA!!!!! |
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datalyst
821 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 07:35:14 AM
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Lets Go Hokies! |
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 11:00:51 AM
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Unless Obama throws his weight into it and gives the University Presidents some kind of incentive (massive tax breaks, playoff revenue sharing etc) I dont think we'll go to a playoff system anytime soon. The best we can hope for is a plus 1 where the BCS Championship Game winner plays the best other BCS Bowl winner.
But in defense of the BCS they usually get a good game out of the whole thing. It's not like it's ever Cincinnati vs Utah for the National Championship & the stadium doesn't even sell out. Every yr it's teams w National Appeal; FL, FSU, Miami, TX, OKLA, USC, Ohio St, LSU. The only 2 yrs they've really screwed it up are in '04 when Auburn went 13-0 & was left out while Oklahoma lost the Big12 Championship then got pummeled by USC 55-14 & this yr.
As far as the '04 yr that's been corrected because now the BCS Championship Game waits for the Conference Final games to be played before scheduling the Championship Game. And if what happened in '04 happened today it would be Auburn vs USC instead of Oklahoma getting in that yr
This yr the problem is a bit different. The 3way tiebreaker in the Big12 w all 3 teams being ranked in the Top 10 really threw the BCS for a loop. As far as this yr it's a shame that Texas is getting left out of the Big Game. I think in the future you'll see more than 2 teams worthy of the Championship Game pretty much every yr, so they need to fix the current system. Notre Dame will not be down forever & anyone who follows college football knows how the human voters love them. Plus Notre Dame is an Independent School so they can schedule who they want & don't have to go thru the peaks & valleys of the strength of conferences and suffer weak computer rankings like the Big10 & Pac10 teams did this yr.
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KipW
933 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 3:52:48 PM
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Does Ohio State really want to play Bama in the Sugar Bowl?
They have never beaten an SEC team in a bowl! Nine straight
losses including back to back Outback Bowls losses to Carolina!
Bama will smoak them by at least 17 points!
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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 6:00:30 PM
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| Top eight in the playoffs. That means three games total. I guarantee that will boost more tv ratings than just let all toilet bowls are playing for HOPE. |
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 9:17:35 PM
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Top eight in the playoffs. That means three games total. I guarantee that will boost more tv ratings than just let all toilet bowls are playing for HOPE.
dude you need to take a course in bracketology, an 8 team single elimination playoff format has 7 games total, and that's if you eliminate the 3rd place game, which pretty much every sport other than the Olympics does anymore. 4-qtr finals, 2 semi-finals & the Championship Game.
However you are spot on regarding TV ratings. TV ratings arent the issue. University Presidents of the other 58 schools who wouldn't get to the playoffs but do get to a Bowl in todays system are. The general consensus is that over half these Bowl Games (34 this yr) would be eliminated due to lack of interest & no TV contract if a playoff system came to be. Kind of like the NIT tournament in basketball, nobody gives a crap about it anymore now that they have the 64 team NCAA playoffs.
Also this is the time of yr that the Bowl bound colleges get a big chunk of their money from boosters & alumni, which usually far exceeds what they get in Bowl payouts.
If there was an easy answer to this, I believe it would've been implemented yrs ago. |
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cjamison
63 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 9:37:12 PM
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| While I'm generally not a fan of the BCS, and think this year especially they did a piss-poor job with some of the major matchups, I'll say this: OU vs. Boise State a few years ago produced one of the best football games in HISTORY. You never know where you'll find a gem. |
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2008 : 10:10:29 PM
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Originally posted by cjamison
While I'm generally not a fan of the BCS, and think this year especially they did a piss-poor job with some of the major matchups, I'll say this: OU vs. Boise State a few years ago produced one of the best football games in HISTORY. You never know where you'll find a gem.
Utah vs Alabama might be one this yr. I know the Penn St vs USC Rose Bowl will get the highest TV ratings other than the Title Game, but the Alabama/Utah matchup will be a good one if Utah comes to play like Boise St did vs Okla that yr. If they just show up like Hawaii did last yr vs Georgia, they'll get blown off the field by halftime
Texas vs Ohio St is so/so & Va Tech vs Cinn isn't that intriguing to me. Texas vs Boise St would've been the better matchup IMO. |
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assassin17
7838 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 12:32:20 AM
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Originally posted by 808
If there was an easy answer to this, I believe it would've been implemented yrs ago.
Extremely easy... Create a teired playoff and share all revenue between all participating teams. Allow any other team to enter or create any bowl game they desire and nobody is left out of a chance to make money for an extra game.
Of course, that's the REAL reason the schools don't want a playoff... Nobody wants to share the revenue, not when you can rig your ranking higher by buying a few rounds of drinks and some nice cars.
There is no champion in college football and there never will be as long as there is no playoff system. The BCS is a sham designed to keep the big-money schools in the games at all costs. |
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SolarMTG
473 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 08:20:49 AM
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| I say screw an 8 team playoff. They should do a 16 game playoff. The NFL has a 12 team playoff with 8 teams playing the first round and 4 teams with a first round bye. I say make it 16 teams with no bye. The length would be the same as the NFL. What is the point in waiting a whole month (maybe more) to play a bowl game? Most of the bowl games are horrible to watch and meaningless. The problem with 8 teams is that the 9 and 10 will complain about not getting in. They should take the winner of each BCS conference and then have a committee pick the rest of the teams who should get an at large bid. You can still have all the silly bowl games, just that some teams may play in more than one. If they keep winning, they get more money for scholarships, etc. If they lose, they still get what they would have if they played in just the one. Some may argue that it would take away from other schools who may be deserving. Well, i'm sure they can come out with some other stupid bowl to make up for it. |
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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 10:41:09 AM
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It's not that easy to have 16 teams playoff however the 8 teams playoffs will lead to a three (3) weekends time slot so I strongly believed that tv ratings will boost higher than regular toilet bowls out there. Those colleges/universities need to swallow their ego and pride $$$ and let the real championship contest begin.
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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 10:43:02 AM
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You're right. I meant it will take three (3) weekends to complete the 8 team playoffs. Not three total games.
I do know that tv ratings will boost even higher during NCAA playoffs. Again, it's all about pride, ego, selfish and $$$ from NCAA, corporate sponsors, college/university and alumni. tsk
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Originally posted by 808
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
Top eight in the playoffs. That means three games total. I guarantee that will boost more tv ratings than just let all toilet bowls are playing for HOPE.
dude you need to take a course in bracketology, an 8 team single elimination playoff format has 7 games total, and that's if you eliminate the 3rd place game, which pretty much every sport other than the Olympics does anymore. 4-qtr finals, 2 semi-finals & the Championship Game.
However you are spot on regarding TV ratings. TV ratings arent the issue. University Presidents of the other 58 schools who wouldn't get to the playoffs but do get to a Bowl in todays system are. The general consensus is that over half these Bowl Games (34 this yr) would be eliminated due to lack of interest & no TV contract if a playoff system came to be. Kind of like the NIT tournament in basketball, nobody gives a crap about it anymore now that they have the 64 team NCAA playoffs.
Also this is the time of yr that the Bowl bound colleges get a big chunk of their money from boosters & alumni, which usually far exceeds what they get in Bowl payouts.
If there was an easy answer to this, I believe it would've been implemented yrs ago.
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 10:43:09 AM
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Originally posted by GetLoans4me
It's not that easy to have 16 teams playoff however the 8 teams playoffs will lead to a three (3) weekends time slot so I strongly believed that tv ratings will boost higher than regular toilet bowls out there. Those colleges/universities need to swallow their ego and pride $$$ and let the real championship contest begin.
pride has nothing to do w it. It's all about the money & many millions of it per yr. |
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GetLoans4me
2697 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 10:47:50 AM
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Pride has A LOT TO do with it. Thus, they're willing to rack $$$$$ profits.
like brian bosworth said..
N - National
C - Communists
A - Against
A - Athletes
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TheFinancier
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 10:57:40 AM
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Originally posted by 808
This yr the problem is a bit different. The 3way tiebreaker in the Big12 w all 3 teams being ranked in the Top 10 really threw the BCS for a loop.
What Problem?
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Originally posted by 808
As far as this yr it's a shame that Texas is getting left out of the Big Game.
No Shame at all.. they all agreed to the rules.(period) You cannot change the rules in the middle of the game. Sorry. You cannot let the refs decide the games, OU had a 3 very bad calls. Letting the BCS determine the winner was the right thing to do.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2008/12/04/mystery_plane_f.html
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Originally posted by 808
Notre Dame will not be down forever & anyone who follows college football knows how the human voters love them. Plus Notre Dame is an Independent School so they can schedule who they want & don't have to go thru the peaks & valleys of the strength of conferences and suffer weak computer rankings like the Big10 & Pac10 teams did this yr.
Who is even thinking about Notre Dame....
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808
4508 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 11:26:47 AM
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Originally posted by TheFinancier
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Originally posted by 808
This yr the problem is a bit different. The 3way tiebreaker in the Big12 w all 3 teams being ranked in the Top 10 really threw the BCS for a loop.
What Problem?
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Originally posted by 808
As far as this yr it's a shame that Texas is getting left out of the Big Game.
No Shame at all.. they all agreed to the rules.(period) You cannot change the rules in the middle of the game. Sorry. You cannot let the refs decide the games, OU had a 3 very bad calls. Letting the BCS determine the winner was the right thing to do.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2008/12/04/mystery_plane_f.html
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Originally posted by 808
Notre Dame will not be down forever & anyone who follows college football knows how the human voters love them. Plus Notre Dame is an Independent School so they can schedule who they want & don't have to go thru the peaks & valleys of the strength of conferences and suffer weak computer rankings like the Big10 & Pac10 teams did this yr.
Who is even thinking about Notre Dame....
personally I want to see Oklahoma vs Florida & think the BCS got it right because they are the 2 best teams in the country, no doubt about in my mind. I just hope Oklahoma doesn't pull a choke job like the last time they played in the Title Game vs USC. With Bradford at QB I doubt it, but I dont think FL will have any problem scoing 40 on Oklahomas defense. The question is will Oklahoma score 50 or 30.
My point regarding Texas was that they showed once again why a playoff system is needed. They have a legit gripe from a perception standpoint due to the head to head win. I know the 5th tiebreaker in the Big12 is highest BCS ranking & all the Big12 teams signed off on it, however it doesn't change the fact that Texas beat Okla head to head on a neutral field. They should've told Missouri to take the week off & had Texas play Oklahoma again for the right to play FL in the Title Game, but I'm sure Missouri would've slapped an injunction on that game in about 2 seconds.
FL, ALA, TEXAS, TEXAS TECH, OKLA, USC, UTAH & PENN ST would've been an excellent 8 team playoff bracket this yr that would generate March Madness like national interest & 10's & 10's of millions of dollars in TV revenue. If you ask me, come up w a revenue sharing program & everybody wins
As far as Notre Dame all I was saying is that Notre Dame is almost always ranked about 5-10 spots higher than they deserve to be so when they get good again, which they will, they'll be right in the middle of things further destroying the credibility of the BCS System.
I take it your a Sooner Fan, Good Luck but I'm a born & raised Floridian so it's all about the Gators & the Suwannee River (our State Song) for me. Just tell your Sooner Schooner to try not to get a delay of game penalty on your team. You cant afford to give up field position like that against Florida. |
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natetheskate
883 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2008 : 11:45:41 AM
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TheFinancier
1439 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 1:21:13 PM
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Finally a football fan in here talking some sense!
Yes we do need a playoff.
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Originally posted by 808
personally I want to see Oklahoma vs Florida & think the BCS got it right because they are the 2 best teams in the country, no doubt about in my mind. I just hope Oklahoma doesn't pull a choke job like the last time they played in the Title Game vs USC. With Bradford at QB I doubt it, but I dont think FL will have any problem scoing 40 on Oklahomas defense. The question is will Oklahoma score 50 or 30.
My point regarding Texas was that they showed once again why a playoff system is needed. They have a legit gripe from a perception standpoint due to the head to head win. I know the 5th tiebreaker in the Big12 is highest BCS ranking & all the Big12 teams signed off on it, however it doesn't change the fact that Texas beat Okla head to head on a neutral field. They should've told Missouri to take the week off & had Texas play Oklahoma again for the right to play FL in the Title Game, but I'm sure Missouri would've slapped an injunction on that game in about 2 seconds.
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