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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
 Posted - 10/15/2008 : 6:48:58 PM
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I thinkt the format of this debate is the best so far and I like that the two candidates are being allowed to go at it without much interruption by the moderator.
Even score so far. |
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mykal5
2765 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 6:51:07 PM
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| I think it is even with one exception; John McCain is doing exactly what he should have been doing in the other debates. He will narrow the score tonight, but I can't see him winning in November. |
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Scrooge McDuck
8753 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 6:53:40 PM
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im watching project runway. f the debate.
theyre not going to gives us anything worth hearing. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 6:55:35 PM
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I think Obama carries and expresses himself better and to people not as in tuned as most here, could easily convince more, regardless of whether he has the better plans or not, to believe him...MUCH of this is just like sales, you may have the better product, but if my people skills are better, I can take it...That's how I see Obama to McCain, I hate McCain's ideas less, but he is far from as good a communicator as Obama and that's a major plus when dealing with the general public...So if things are even, I have to give it to Obama as I know 'less' educated in the current state as most here, will more than likely lean towards Obama...NOT saying less educated, less aware of details of current state...
Only because I don't think Obama addresses the spreading the wealth issue well, I am giving it to McCain as that one issue is the thorn in my side right now...Nothing else either of them propose means anything to me more than that thinking process from our leader...He could say he's going to have Ayers head Homeland Security and I wouldn't care as much...JMHO... |
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RANDY P
2828 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:04:55 PM
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"Senator Obama I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago.."
POW!
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:07:07 PM
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Originally posted by darkstar
I think Obama carries and expresses himself better and to people not as in tuned as most here, could easily convince more, regardless of whether he has the better plans or not, to believe him...MUCH of this is just like sales, you may have the better product, but if my people skills are better, I can take it ...
I agree.
The masses are easily convinced by a good sales pitch.
Obama's sales pitch is better ... and unfortunately ... that's what matters in modern American politics.
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:09:30 PM
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| Does anyone consider this debate a game changer? |
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mykal5
2765 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:15:26 PM
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| No game changer, but it will tighten the race a bit. I think if McCain doesn't pull closer within the next week as a result of this debate, Obama has it in the bag. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:18:48 PM
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>>>Obama's sales pitch is better ... and unfortunately ... that's what matters in modern American politics.
See, you finally understand why RP can't get anywhere and doesn't get the attention he deserved, it's not the message, it's the messenger...It doesn't mean he's a 'bad' person in any way... |
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:22:50 PM
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>Obama's sales pitch is better ... and unfortunately ... that's what matters in modern American politics.
See, you finally understand why RP can't get anywhere and doesn't get the attention he deserved, it's not the message, it's the messenger...It doesn't mean he's a 'bad' person in any way...
I'm aware of that.
He's had his moments ... but they've been few and far between.
Personally, when it comes to those seeking political office, I like someone who shoots from the hip and doesn't sound too polished ... while spitting out talking points from memory.
That's the one thing I love about Ron Paul. No script is necessary ... because he KNOWS what he believes ... and why.
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:25:33 PM
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You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>Obama's sales pitch is better ... and unfortunately ... that's what matters in modern American politics.
See, you finally understand why RP can't get anywhere and doesn't get the attention he deserved, it's not the message, it's the messenger...It doesn't mean he's a 'bad' person in any way...
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:30:17 PM
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McCain just said that he's been a "careful steward" of our tax dollars.
Is he totally insane?
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808
2510 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:31:19 PM
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| Time out for a second, Ramirez just jacked another HR, but it's 5-1 Phillies in the top of the 7th |
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:33:58 PM
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OK ... it is over!!! No more debates. No knockout by McCain so one could say that Obama won. Either way, this will not change the income for McCain.
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:34:12 PM
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>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office... |
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:35:41 PM
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No sure I care for that visual ... but your point is well taken.
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:39:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
LOL ... I thought I was the only one.
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stewpot
442 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:42:04 PM
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| I was surprised at the outcome of the Ayers question. It allowed Obama put that issue to bed. That clearly wasnt the way McCain wanted it to go. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:42:47 PM
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
LOL ... I thought I was the only one.
Would take me a month to create a washload of laundry if I was alone...Maybe 2! LOL |
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:45:26 PM
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| McCain failed to realize that the Ayers and Acorn nonsense are nothing more than knats on an elephant's azz. That stuff ain't gonna win McCain any new voters. McCain lost more pro-choice women votes tonight than he won from any other group ... if any. |
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:47:53 PM
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The next thing you'll be doing is posting a new pic in your profile with your "minimalist uniform"? Stop already ...
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Originally posted by darkstar
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
LOL ... I thought I was the only one.
Would take me a month to create a washload of laundry if I was alone...Maybe 2! LOL
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:48:36 PM
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| I wish I could get the same amount of free advertising "Joe The Plumber" got tonight |
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 7:49:46 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
LOL ... I thought I was the only one.
Would take me a month to create a washload of laundry if I was alone...Maybe 2! LOL
Dude ... are you me?
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:01:08 PM
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I know quite a few plumber, electricians and other such "small business" people. They would gladly trade no work now for work and income on which they pay taxes.
By the way, Joe The Plumber is no different than most originators ... a single practioner and not an employer. |
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frank drigotas j
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:09:20 PM
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"I wish I could get the same amount of free advertising "Joe The Plumber" got tonight'
SoCalRay, above
Agreed. Joe The Plumber, if he is a smart guy, will be plastering his truck with advertising tomorrow morning.
I think this surpasses the lady of "where's the beef?!" fame.*
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*Clara Peller, for Wendy's, used in the 1984 presidential campaign and elsewhere |
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:09:38 PM
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First poll of 518 uncommited voter in regards to the debate
40 Percent state Obama won
34 Percent state a Tie
26 Percent state McCain won
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/08/politics/2008debates/main4508430.shtml
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:14:17 PM
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And it continues
More references and an Interview with Katie Couric for Joe the Plummer
Dude, I really wish I could be that lucky
And IF your CPA shows you making $251,000.00, They should be fired |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:18:09 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
The next thing you'll be doing is posting a new pic in your profile with your "minimalist uniform"? Stop already ...
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Originally posted by darkstar
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
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Originally posted by darkstar
>>>You scare me when you make so much sense. I agree with you. To get elected, being a great messenger is more important than the message.
It's just like selling mortgages, someone can have the best infrastructure and programs in the world, if you can't sell them, I can take your business in my underwear with a 5 o'clock shadow from my home office...
LOL ... I thought I was the only one.
Would take me a month to create a washload of laundry if I was alone...Maybe 2! LOL
Dude, that's been on my profile for months... |
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financeone
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:21:00 PM
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I don't agree with most your posts, but the CPA reference is spot on!
btw---Obama still wets the bed.
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Originally posted by SoCalRay
And it continues
More references and an Interview with Katie Couric for Joe the Plummer
Dude, I really wish I could be that lucky
And IF your CPA shows you making $251,000.00, They should be fired
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ML
3006 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:44:48 PM
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Sad for Sen. McCain. He is a Very Honorable man. I do not, and likely never will, support the majority of his views. Had he simply related to the viewer, rather than attack the opponent, he would have faired better.
Sen. McCain scores best when he connects on a human basis. When he relates his own experience of pain and suffering. Had he said, "I know pain and suffering, and I know the American people are hurting now. In a McCain administration I will never let the American people go thru what they are enduring now"
When Sen. McCain equates Sen. Obama with a terrorist, and you look at the split screen, and see a calm, intelligent, articulate opponent. It tarnishes Sen. McCain, and makes him look desperate. This has not been Sen. McCains finest hour.
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mykal5
2765 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 8:49:58 PM
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Originally posted by ML
Sad for Sen. McCain. He is a Very Honorable man. I do not, and likely never will, support the majority of his views. Had he simply related to the viewer, rather than attack the opponent, he would have faired better.
Sen. McCain scores best when he connects on a human basis. When he relates his own experience of pain and suffering. Had he said, "I know pain and suffering, and I know the American people are hurting now. In a McCain administration I will never let the American people go thru what they are enduring now"
When Sen. McCain equates Sen. Obama with a terrorist, and you look at the split screen, and see a calm, intelligent, articulate opponent. It tarnishes Sen. McCain, and makes him look desperate. This has not been Sen. McCains finest hour.
You said it better than I could have. It's a bit tough to see such a great guy go this route. I hope there are better days ahead for the man as he surely deserves it more than just about any other politician I can name. |
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MortgageBoarder
3976 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 9:38:51 PM
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This one stuck in my head tonight. Within the next 8 years, I may be in Joe's shoes!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-speaks-it_n_135065.html
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2008 : 9:51:19 PM
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Does this not sound like a put down of McCain's own Supporters with the fringe comment?
McCain strongly defended his supporters, saying "I am proud of the people who come to our rallies ... You're always going to have some fringe people." |
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khoiey
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 11:45:27 PM
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Found this one someone's blog and he took it right out of my mouth.
"Has anyone actually read this?! Come on...has Obama even taken a single economics course? Wealth redistribution NEVER works!!! This country's citizens have the wealthy, the innovative, the entrepreneurial, and the risk takers to thank for their jobs and their paychecks. When those individuals are forced to take cuts in their own pay, they take it from their employees or they pass it on to the consumers. They use their business acumen to figure out how to evade the increase in taxes. How do you think stock options became so popular...why do you think the AMT had to be put into place? What will the motivation be for individual small business owners to grow their business? When did a raise, and health care, and a house, and a new car, and equal pay for unequal work become rights in this country? If you want more or you need more, work harder!!! "
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
I thinkt the format of this debate is the best so far and I like that the two candidates are being allowed to go at it without much interruption by the moderator.
Even score so far.
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 12:31:52 AM
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By far McCain's best debate, but he is still just too boring a person to gain any steam in this MTV world.
These hand-picked moderators and questions are just crap. I've never been this bored by a set of debates... ever. There's more action in a soap opera. |
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LoanPro71
2676 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 01:11:55 AM
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Originally posted by assassin17
By far McCain's best debate, but he is still just too boring a person to gain any steam in this MTV world.
These hand-picked moderators and questions are just crap. I've never been this bored by a set of debates... ever. There's more action in a soap opera.
You're too smart for these "debates".
I posted another thread on the topic.
These so-called debates are boring by design.
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lunarhamster
4001 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 04:53:25 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
I think Obama carries and expresses himself better and to people not as in tuned as most here, could easily convince more, regardless of whether he has the better plans or not, to believe him...MUCH of this is just like sales, you may have the better product, but if my people skills are better, I can take it...That's how I see Obama to McCain, I hate McCain's ideas less, but he is far from as good a communicator as Obama and that's a major plus when dealing with the general public...So if things are even, I have to give it to Obama as I know 'less' educated in the current state as most here, will more than likely lean towards Obama...NOT saying less educated, less aware of details of current state...
Only because I don't think Obama addresses the spreading the wealth issue well, I am giving it to McCain as that one issue is the thorn in my side right now...Nothing else either of them propose means anything to me more than that thinking process from our leader...He could say he's going to have Ayers head Homeland Security and I wouldn't care as much...JMHO...
That's exactly what I thought last night watching that. McCain just doesn't debate that well, he stutters and stammers, at least he didn't say "my friends" over and over.
Truthfully, if I was an uninformed voter and I watched that debate, hands down I would vote for Obama, good thing I am informed and won't be sucked in by his BS. |
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kbaker
907 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 05:32:48 AM
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Originally posted by LoanPro71
McCain just said that he's been a "careful steward" of our tax dollars.
Is he totally insane?
Senator McCain has NEVER requested pork in any budget since he arrived in Washington over 22 plus years ago. Senator Obama has RECEIVED just under $1 billion in pork since he arrived in Washington only a few years ago. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE AND MCCAIN SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. Unfortunately, Americans buying the Pretty Boy Orator BS. |
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1003s.com
3347 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 07:40:13 AM
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Originally posted by kbaker
Unfortunately, Americans buying the Pretty Boy Orator BS.
Sad but true,I am begining to think voters should
be required to pass complex written tests, prior to being
allowed to vote.
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lemeuss
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 07:48:38 AM
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[/quote]Senator McCain has NEVER requested pork in any budget since he arrived in Washington over 22 plus years ago. Senator Obama has RECEIVED just under $1 billion in pork since he arrived in Washington only a few years ago. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE AND MCCAIN SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. Unfortunately, Americans buying the Pretty Boy Orator BS.
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.......I bet he took all that pork, pulled it, doused it in BBQ sauce, slapped it on a roll, and served sandwiches to all the underserved citizens of Chicago. |
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ML
3006 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:32:37 AM
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Originally posted by lemeuss
Senator McCain has NEVER requested pork in any budget since he arrived in Washington over 22 plus years ago. Senator Obama has RECEIVED just under $1 billion in pork since he arrived in Washington only a few years ago. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE AND MCCAIN SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. Unfortunately, Americans buying the Pretty Boy Orator BS.
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.......I bet he took all that pork, pulled it, doused it in BBQ sauce, slapped it on a roll, and served sandwiches to all the underserved citizens of Chicago.
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Don't forget the fried chicken and watermelon! He probably also entertained the fine people of Chicago's South Side with his friend Flavor Flav while Minister Farrakhan gave the blessing!
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mykal5
2765 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:37:11 AM
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Originally posted by 1003s.com
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Originally posted by kbaker
Unfortunately, Americans buying the Pretty Boy Orator BS.
Sad but true,I am begining to think voters should
be required to pass complex written tests, prior to being
allowed to vote.
Comments like yours and Kbaker's are in poor form (IMHO), I have yet to see those who oppose Obama collectively demonstrate a higher level of knowledge, sophistication, and wisdom than those who support Obama.
Comments like those above reek of sanctimony and arrogance. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:46:33 AM
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| I think the test is a little extreme, but we all know 90%+ of the public would fail a civics test...But since we have to let everyone vote, the best communicator wins most of the time...They always prove to be more of the same, but they usually win... |
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808
2510 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:52:26 AM
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| so the general consensus is that barring any 11th hr scandal, Obama will win easily and going to the polls to cast your vote against him is futile, just concentrate on the other stuff on the ballot and walk out of there w your I VOTED sticker on your shirt |
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ML
3006 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:54:41 AM
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Don't forget to pick up some tasty baked goods on your way out!
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808
2510 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:59:14 AM
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Originally posted by ML
Don't forget to pick up some tasty baked goods on your way out!
and try to pitch reverse mortgages to all the volunteers working there. Where I vote cracks me up, it's a comm center that is big on Bingo and the last thing I see before walking into the booth is the Bingo HOF wall |
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hertz
853 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 09:09:13 AM
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I just wish Obama would be called to the carpet on a few very basic economic issues. In the same breath last night he complained that we can't cut taxes on corporations and that we have to do something about outsourcing. Step one should be to ELIMINATE corporate taxes! That would immediately make American workers more competetive and drive growth in our economy. His plan to increase taxes on "Joe the Plumber" will do exactly the opposite.
Also, his comment he always makes about "we need to use a scalpel". BS! WE NEED THE HATCHET TO CONTROL SPENDING!
I could go on and on but I have to go to an appointment. |
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808
2510 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 09:14:56 AM
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| the reason McCain cant call Obama to the carpet is that he doesn't have a plan either. That $5k health care tax credit-but your on your own was really brilliant. The sad fact is that neither candidate will help us as mortgage brokers out or stop home prices from continuing to fall. Therefore the election all comes down to foreign policy cause that's where the answer is right now unfortunately. |
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MortgageBoarder
3976 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 09:20:43 AM
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Agreed, bring in the hatchet already!!
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Originally posted by hertz
I just wish Obama would be called to the carpet on a few very basic economic issues. In the same breath last night he complained that we can't cut taxes on corporations and that we have to do something about outsourcing. Step one should be to ELIMINATE corporate taxes! That would immediately make American workers more competetive and drive growth in our economy. His plan to increase taxes on "Joe the Plumber" will do exactly the opposite.
Also, his comment he always makes about "we need to use a scalpel". BS! WE NEED THE HATCHET TO CONTROL SPENDING!
I could go on and on but I have to go to an appointment.
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homebroker@sbcgl
3435 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 09:44:21 AM
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I wish others would listed to what you posted here, USA cannot complete with offshore suppliers as it is, Obama's terrible plan is only going to make the USA even less competitive.
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Originally posted by hertz
I just wish Obama would be called to the carpet on a few very basic economic issues. In the same breath last night he complained that we can't cut taxes on corporations and that we have to do something about outsourcing. Step one should be to ELIMINATE corporate taxes! That would immediately make American workers more competetive and drive growth in our economy. His plan to increase taxes on "Joe the Plumber" will do exactly the opposite.
Also, his comment he always makes about "we need to use a scalpel". BS! WE NEED THE HATCHET TO CONTROL SPENDING!
I could go on and on but I have to go to an appointment.
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hertz
853 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2008 : 1:40:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net
I wish others would listed to what you posted here, USA cannot complete with offshore suppliers as it is, Obama's terrible plan is only going to make the USA even less competitive.
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Originally posted by hertz
I just wish Obama would be called to the carpet on a few very basic economic issues. In the same breath last night he complained that we can't cut taxes on corporations and that we have to do something about outsourcing. Step one should be to ELIMINATE corporate taxes! That would immediately make American workers more competetive and drive growth in our economy. His plan to increase taxes on "Joe the Plumber" will do exactly the opposite.
Also, his comment he always makes about "we need to use a scalpel". BS! WE NEED THE HATCHET TO CONTROL SPENDING!
I could go on and on but I have to go to an appointment.
I just wish someone in politics would have the b%$#ls to say it. |
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