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darkstar
18092 Posts |
 Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:31:59 AM
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FOX has been covering the live hearings on ACORN, I guess the Dems don't believe the polls they keep using to tell us how bad McCain is doing...Don't get me wrong, I can see the Reps doing this as well, but this is all Dems with ACORN...Is there even a Republican equivalent to ACORN, if so, who?...
If they come at you for fraud on loans your LOs did, would you get away with the excuse ACORN is using?... |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:38:25 AM
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| Obama admits to socialism when talking to a plumber as well!...Or isn't spreading the wealth around from the have's to the have nots socialism?... |
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:45:30 AM
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Yes, It is the GOP's definition of socialism.
Do you really think Obama is going to have the government renouce your personal property rights?
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:48:59 AM
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| GOP definition?...LOL Can't dispute this one huh?...Nothing to do with per prop rights, that's just one part of socialism, taking from those that make more and giving to the rest is also socialism, he freely admitted it today talking to a plumber...Must have been a mistake huh? LOL Good luck defending this one! |
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mykal5
2765 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:50:54 AM
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| ACORN, should be ashamed. |
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the_mortgage_guy
1178 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:51:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
Yes, It is the GOP's definition of socialism.
Do you really think Obama is going to have the government renouce your personal property rights?
No but our rights to bear arms. |
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:54:19 AM
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There is no Voter Fraud
There were fradulant voter registration cards. Saw the head of ACORN on the old guys show friday. She stated they have to turn in every registration form even if it filled out incorrectly or fradulantly.
It would only be voter fraud if the people voted and that is not going to happen.
I hate ACORN for the simple reason is they have people giving really bad advice about mortgages. |
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Mandyvilla
3405 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 07:56:24 AM
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LOL, I just caught the plumber comment....
As for ACORN, no doubt in my mind the allegations are dead on. At the bank (BofA), we caught on very quick not to send out clients to ACORN for training for the FTHB loans, but used the bank's sister portfolio product (same guidelines). See, we would send out clients to attend ACORN training and the instructors approached EVERY ONE of my clients and coaxed them to go to their lenders. (We had been forewarned and acutally send in a loan officer undercover, lol. Because of that warning, we were able to prepare our customers for the approach and review responses).
The ACORN loan was a below market loan with no PMI and very liberal qualifying guidelines. I think BofA is sitting on most of their loans now (uh oh) and suspect somewhere in this bag of tricks they just may get bit. The question is, did they separate themselves before the stories of corruption? I haven't heard them brought up yet, but you won't hear about them in regards to voter registration.
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 08:03:41 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by the_mortgage_guy
quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
Yes, It is the GOP's definition of socialism.
Do you really think Obama is going to have the government renouce your personal property rights?
No but our rights to bear arms.
Another Myth
Obama does not want to take away gun rights
He was to get the Semi-Automatics and Automatics off the street.
How is that taking away Shotguns and Handguns?
Do you really neec a machine gun to go hunting from a helocopter? |
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Tsnyder
8256 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 08:13:54 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
quote:
Originally posted by the_mortgage_guy
quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
Yes, It is the GOP's definition of socialism.
Do you really think Obama is going to have the government renouce your personal property rights?
No but our rights to bear arms.
Another Myth
Obama does not want to take away gun rights
He was to get the Semi-Automatics and Automatics off the street.
How is that taking away Shotguns and Handguns?
Do you really neec a machine gun to go hunting from a helocopter?
Do you really believe the founders wrote the Second Amendment to
protect your right to hunt?
Tsnyder
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Tsnyder
8256 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 08:17:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
Yes, It is the GOP's definition of socialism.
Do you really think Obama is going to have the government renouce your personal property rights?
I believe government has steadily and systematically acted to deny
property rights to Americans for a long time. Obama will do nothing
to stop that trend. If Pelosi and Reid have their way it will not
only continue, it will escalate. Who thinks that Pelosi and Reid
won't have their way in an Obama administration? Only the naive...
Tsnyder |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 08:24:34 AM
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In with the new boss, same as the old boss, we won't get fooled again...
Except the Dems that thought Obama was going to be any different, supporting him is fine, thinking he's going to different is blindness...4 more either way, don't get too excited... |
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khoiey
1573 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 09:01:16 AM
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Go pretend to work for ACORN. You'll walk out of that interview with disgusted feeling.
quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
There is no Voter Fraud
There were fradulant voter registration cards. Saw the head of ACORN on the old guys show friday. She stated they have to turn in every registration form even if it filled out incorrectly or fradulantly.
It would only be voter fraud if the people voted and that is not going to happen.
I hate ACORN for the simple reason is they have people giving really bad advice about mortgages.
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:20:52 AM
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Video of Obama (who claims no connection to ACORN) promising they will be a big part of his future
http://roadsassy.com/2008/10/11/caught-on-tapeobama-promising-acorn-that-they-will-help-shape-his-policies-in-the-white-house/
Obama lies about ACORN connection (Official statement says he "was not hired" by ACORN, doesn't mention that he was an "unpaid" volunteer)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77813
Oh, and you can't go to work for ACORN unless they know exactly who you are. Well, not around here. First off, their office is locked with windows boarded up so you can't see in. Check out what happens if you click JOIN on their web site;
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/2749/t/3071/signUp.jsp?key=1819
More fraud news
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/22/acorn-watch-pt-i-of-the-day-more-voter-fraudsters-in-milwaukee/ |
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:30:31 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
There is no Voter Fraud
There were fradulant voter registration cards.
Registration fraud IS voter fraud.
This definition comes from "The Politics of Voter Fraud" (Lorraine Minnite, PHD), which was published by ProjectVote.org, an organization with ties to Barack Obama and ACORN. Therefore, it would not be biased against your preferred 'candidate';
"Voter fraud is the “intentional corruption of the electoral process by the voter.” This definition covers knowingly and willingly giving false information to establish voter eligibility, and knowingly and willingly voting illegally or participating in a conspiracy to encourage illegal voting by others. All other forms of corruption of the electoral process and corruption committed by elected or election officials, candidates, party organizations, advocacy groups or campaign workers fall under the wider definition of election fraud."
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cspatmon
2092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:31:28 AM
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| If I recall the government stepped in and removed guns from private citizens during Katrina. I can't believe, that anyone really think that the government can and will relinquish you of your weapons. Anytime, they deem it necessary. |
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Tsnyder
8256 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:45:17 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
If I recall the government stepped in and removed guns from private citizens during Katrina. I can't believe, that anyone really think that the government can and will relinquish you of your weapons. Anytime, they deem it necessary.
That was clumsily worded but if I understand you correctly
you seem to be saying that you can't believe anyone thinks
there are people in government who would take guns from private
citizens any time they deem it necessary.
If that's what you're saying you've got to be kidding.
Tsnyder |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:46:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
Video of Obama (who claims no connection to ACORN) promising they will be a big part of his future
http://roadsassy.com/2008/10/11/caught-on-tapeobama-promising-acorn-that-they-will-help-shape-his-policies-in-the-white-house/
Obama lies about ACORN connection (Official statement says he "was not hired" by ACORN, doesn't mention that he was an "unpaid" volunteer)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77813
Oh, and you can't go to work for ACORN unless they know exactly who you are. Well, not around here. First off, their office is locked with windows boarded up so you can't see in. Check out what happens if you click JOIN on their web site;
http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/2749/t/3071/signUp.jsp?key=1819
More fraud news
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/22/acorn-watch-pt-i-of-the-day-more-voter-fraudsters-in-milwaukee/
Come on Greg, just another bad set of coincidences in regards to associations...The list does get longer:
Farrakhan
Flager
Wright
Ayers
ACORN
Fannie/Freddie
Did I miss any?...I'm sure these are ALL just coincidences we should ignore.. |
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Mandyvilla
3405 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 12:01:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
quote:
Originally posted by cspatmon
If I recall the government stepped in and removed guns from private citizens during Katrina. I can't believe, that anyone really think that the government can and will relinquish you of your weapons. Anytime, they deem it necessary.
That was clumsily worded but if I understand you correctly
you seem to be saying that you can't believe anyone thinks
there are people in government who would take guns from private
citizens any time they deem it necessary.
If that's what you're saying you've got to be kidding.
Tsnyder
I think she worded it incorrectly and meant the government can to do whatever it deems necessary for a given situation.
I hope I am wrong in that interpretation. |
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 12:07:17 PM
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They couldn't steal it in 2000, they couldn't steal it in 2004... Now it could be stolen right out in the open. Desperation.
Dems were only too-glad to point out the flaws in Diebold software. They seemed to know it was there in advance. They just never pointed out that it could have been "rigged" in their direction just as easily.
By pinning down a complaint to a specific county, they also ignored that Diebold would need the psychic ability to pinpoint in advance exactly which states would be razor-thin close and the exact County that would decide each of those states, then rig the software in advance. That is tremendous ESP!
So, I guess they feel ACORN is just "If you can't beat em, join em"? |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 12:23:17 PM
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| How come I can go to Amsterdam, walk up to any ATM and the money was always right but we can't track registration and voting, what's wrong with this picture? |
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 12:32:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by darkstar
How come I can go to Amsterdam, walk up to any ATM and the money was always right but we can't track registration and voting, what's wrong with this picture?
I've seen officials talk about it. They say they don't have enough staff to keep up with the amount of fraud right now. It has to be verified before removal, so a lot of it will never be removed before the election.
That means a lot of people are going to walk up with no questions asked and commit fraud. You have no way of knowing which candidate they voted for (yeah ,right), so they won't be able to remove the votes. It's too expensive to have a new vote, so it basically means that fraud is easily committed in the USA and any election can be rigged simply by overwhelming the registration rolls with mass volume, especially when IDs are not required.
Which reminds me of a story my mom always tells every 4 years; Some friend forced her to go vote with them back in the 60s. She had no clue what she was doing, so she voted for the Communist nominee. 2 weeks later, the FBI showed up at the door to question her about it. She's never voted since, as she's firmly convinced that they track exactly who everyone votes for. |
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gmic
327 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 12:36:16 PM
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| There is substantial Voter Fraud when you can show up in Ohio after having registered through Acorn and Vote for (Obama of course)and you need no proof of ID, only the last 4 digits of anyone social security number and nothing is verified; that's Voter Fraud, no matter how you look at it. Acorn is aware of that and in the last 12 months, they've signed up over 600,000 new registered voters in Ohio while the state's population has been decreasing during that period. In the last election, I think Ohio was only won by 104,000 votes and it could have turned the entire election around. You don't think the Dems and Acorn are aware of all of this? Of course they are and they will continue to try and steal the election until something is done about it. Why do you think they were pushing for same day registration and earling voting? They know what they are doing and it's VOTER FRAUD!!!!! |
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homebroker@sbcgl
3435 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 1:46:12 PM
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This is a very scary reality, the jerks at ACORN don't want the American people to pick the president, they want to. If the Democrats have to turn their head and allow this to win election, then the America has very grim outlook in regards to their "elected" officials.
This is not what our founding father thought of during the creation of the USA.
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Originally posted by gmic
There is substantial Voter Fraud when you can show up in Ohio after having registered through Acorn and Vote for (Obama of course)and you need no proof of ID, only the last 4 digits of anyone social security number and nothing is verified; that's Voter Fraud, no matter how you look at it. Acorn is aware of that and in the last 12 months, they've signed up over 600,000 new registered voters in Ohio while the state's population has been decreasing during that period. In the last election, I think Ohio was only won by 104,000 votes and it could have turned the entire election around. You don't think the Dems and Acorn are aware of all of this? Of course they are and they will continue to try and steal the election until something is done about it. Why do you think they were pushing for same day registration and earling voting? They know what they are doing and it's VOTER FRAUD!!!!!
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QUANTAM
230 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 4:23:59 PM
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McCains awful quite about ACORN. Maybe he needs his memory jogged...
Copy and Paste the link below.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 4:29:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by QUANTAM
McCains awful quite about ACORN. Maybe he needs his memory jogged...
He was invited to speak at an event and they want that to negate their voter fraud activities? ROFL |
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QUANTAM
230 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 4:42:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by QUANTAM
McCains awful quite about ACORN. Maybe he needs his memory jogged...
He was invited to speak at an event and they want that to negate their voter fraud activities? ROFL
Looks to me they are merely pointing out that McCain was for them, before he was against them. |
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assassin17
4155 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 5:39:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by QUANTAM
Looks to me they are merely pointing out that McCain was for them, before he was against them.
Read it again... He was the main guest speaker on the topic of Immigration, invited by various groups OTHER THAN JUST ACORN;
"The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.
McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner."
Just because ACORN was there does not mean that he came at their request, nor backs their organization, nor endorses their fraudulent voter registration activity. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 5:41:21 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpAlGdZToCk
Obama SAYING ACORN will be a part of shaping his domestic policy...No reason to commit fraud to get there huh?... |
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khoiey
1573 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2008 : 7:49:32 PM
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| Write letters to your congressman and address your concerns with ACORN. |
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mortgageman1
1024 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2008 : 10:59:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by SoCalRay
There is no Voter Fraud
There were fradulant voter registration cards. Saw the head of ACORN on the old guys show friday. She stated they have to turn in every registration form even if it filled out incorrectly or fradulantly.
It would only be voter fraud if the people voted and that is not going to happen.
I hate ACORN for the simple reason is they have people giving really bad advice about mortgages.
I would quicker think You'd hate ACORN because they EXTORT banks (& Lenders) in to making Bad Loans versus being called "racist"? That's not bad advice...that's criminal. |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2008 : 04:56:31 AM
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CNN actually reported on ACORN fraud, MORE THAN 50%(almost 100%) WERE FRAUDULENT!...I couldn't believe CNN reported on it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdAr7QtHG8k&feature=related |
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darkstar
18092 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2008 : 04:58:24 AM
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Lou Dobbs too, he even called it a left wing group and says "How can there be any doubt what's going on there"..."...Obama is substantially related"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM708EjH0bs&feature=related
ACORN may taint this election and rob Obama of a truly sweet victory, if he wins, many will think it was due to fraud, we'll see.... |
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CoolMtgGuy
3663 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2008 : 06:55:27 AM
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Very sound advice. Wished I had said it.
Same applies to people's concerns about Obama's citizen status.
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Originally posted by khoiey
Write letters to your congressman and address your concerns with ACORN.
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