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VVance
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 Posted - 10/05/2008 : 12:35:37 PM
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Obama allies warn GOP to back off attacks.
By CHARLES BABINGTON – 12 minutes ago
ASHEVILLE, N.C. (AP) — Barack Obama's allies warn that John McCain's attacks on the Democrat'a character will lead to the political equivalent of mutual assured destruction: fire your big weapon at your own peril.
Several Obama surrogates said his supporters may start reminding voters of McCain's ties to Charles Keating, a convicted savings and loan owner whose actions two decades ago triggered a Senate ethics investigation that involved McCain as one of the "Keating Five."
The warnings of massive retaliation came as McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, took on the role of attacker and said that Obama sees America as so imperfect "that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." She was referring to an early Obama supporter, 1960s radical Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground whose members were blamed for several bombings when Obama was a child.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5isOFwdbq0tsqatW6vJpkDRTI1gMgD93KH8282 |
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ML
3006 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 1:01:00 PM
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One of my friends and former co-workers was best friends with Bill Ayers years ago, started the Weather Underground with him. In fact, an academy award nominated film was made about his life. I don't think that makes me somehow culpable? Sen. Obama will not suffer from this smear, accepting, of course, those that harbor previous prejudices.
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mykal5
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Posted - 10/05/2008 : 1:06:02 PM
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Originally posted by ML
One of my friends and former co-workers was best friends with Bill Ayers years ago, started the Weather Underground with him. In fact, an academy award nominated film was made about his life. I don't think that makes me somehow culpable? Sen. Obama will not suffer from this smear, accepting, of course, those that harbor previous prejudices.
I agree. |
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cspatmon
2088 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 5:14:13 PM
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| I also agree..... |
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CoolMtgGuy
3658 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 6:03:56 PM
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| McCain's prominent role in the S&L crisis is very relevant to today's banking crisis. His buddy Charles Keating targeted him because of he knew that McCain would respond to the perks made available to him. McCain is a sham. It is amazing to me to hear the words coming out of this mans mouth. I don't oay attention to Palin as I have concluded that she is an airhead. |
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the_mortgage_guy
1178 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 9:28:53 PM
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| I had a feeling this was going to happen. Obama is going to blackmail McCain to not come out and talk about the terrorists, communists, scum bag crack house landlords that molded his sphere of influence and his political ideals. I think America needs to be reminded and I welcome a tit for tat on the dirt of each politician as there is so much more dirt (and trully scary) on Obama then McCain. |
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ML
3006 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2008 : 10:52:47 PM
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Originally posted by CoolMtgGuy
McCain's prominent role in the S&L crisis is very relevant to today's banking crisis. His buddy Charles Keating targeted him because of he knew that McCain would respond to the perks made available to him. McCain is a sham. It is amazing to me to hear the words coming out of this mans mouth. I don't oay attention to Palin as I have concluded that she is an airhead.
Can't you tell the difference between an airhead and a dipshiit?
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ritabradley01
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Posted - 10/05/2008 : 11:41:33 PM
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Originally posted by the_mortgage_guy
I had a feeling this was going to happen. Obama is going to blackmail McCain to not come out and talk about the terrorists, communists, scum bag crack house landlords that molded his sphere of influence and his political ideals. I think America needs to be reminded and I welcome a tit for tat on the dirt of each politician as there is so much more dirt (and trully scary) on Obama then McCain.
I agree. BRING IT! |
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darkstar
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 03:34:05 AM
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Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, anyone else see a pattern?...ANd they always save the best dirt for just before the election, Americans are too stupid to remember much for more than 30 days...
No matter who wins, it's 4 more of the same, and then 4 more, then 4 more, etc, etc, etc...Changing the face or party in charge does not change the government and how they do business...So regardless of who wins, is there really reason to celebrate? |
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VVance
2486 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 04:44:04 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, anyone else see a pattern?...ANd they always save the best dirt for just before the election, Americans are too stupid to remember much for more than 30 days...
No matter who wins, it's 4 more of the same, and then 4 more, then 4 more, etc, etc, etc...Changing the face or party in charge does not change the government and how they do business...So regardless of who wins, is there really reason to celebrate?
Oh! The Negativity!
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darkstar
18082 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 05:14:12 AM
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Originally posted by VVance
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Originally posted by darkstar
Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, anyone else see a pattern?...ANd they always save the best dirt for just before the election, Americans are too stupid to remember much for more than 30 days...
No matter who wins, it's 4 more of the same, and then 4 more, then 4 more, etc, etc, etc...Changing the face or party in charge does not change the government and how they do business...So regardless of who wins, is there really reason to celebrate?
Oh! The Negativity!
Hehe, it's early and I'm always evil before I get my view on...
Actually, I'm more concerned with Obama's relationship to Fannie and Freddie, let's focus on modern day associations since past ones are always tossed aside...Any Dems have any issues with his relationship with Fannie and Freddie, their roles in his current campaign and our current mortgage mess?...All good?...
Ask yourself, who did more damage to us as a country, Ayers, the Keating Five or Fannie and Freddie running amuck?...Whisch relationship should we be more concerned with today?... |
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lunarhamster
4000 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 05:27:53 AM
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Originally posted by darkstar
Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, anyone else see a pattern?...ANd they always save the best dirt for just before the election, Americans are too stupid to remember much for more than 30 days...
No matter who wins, it's 4 more of the same, and then 4 more, then 4 more, etc, etc, etc...Changing the face or party in charge does not change the government and how they do business...So regardless of who wins, is there really reason to celebrate?
But Darkstar, he didn't really have associations with these people, ya right. He just so happened to live on the same street as Farakan, Ayers, and Resko.. but he didn't know them, it was just a friendly hello as they passed each other IN THEIR YARD!!
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lunarhamster
4000 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 05:35:01 AM
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What about Baraks association with ACORN?
ACORN is a group of community organizers, probably the most militant group of community organizers. ACORN grew out of something called the National Welfare Rights League which was another militant group in the Sixties.
They used to flood into welfare offices, kind of shut them down with protests and demand a great expansion of welfare coverage. And in recent decades that has morphed into ACORN. And ACORN leaders see themselves as unreconstructed far leftist, unafraid to use radical and militant tactics. They follow Saul Alinsky's direct action, which is another name for these intimidation tactics.
For example, if ACORN wants a bank to start making these high-risk loans, they might break into the office of a banker and flood it with protestors and basically scare the heck out of the guy trying to get him to change the bank's loan policy. They will even go and protest at the homes of bankers, scare their families. They'll flood protestors into the lobby of a bank, scare the customers away and, of course, in that way intimidate the banks into doing what they want.
And so ACORN uses these Alinsky-ite intimidation tactics. Of course, those are tactics that were studied by Obama, and Obama has had a very close relationship with ACORN for many, many years.
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CoolMtgGuy
3658 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 06:43:28 AM
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If McCain/Palin supporters really wanted to help their candidates avoid the train wreck they are surely headed for, they's cease the silly, trivial banter and reach out to their neighbors, friends and anyone they know WHO ARE NOT COMMITED TO VOTING FOR THE GOP TICKET. The entore "message" of the GOP ticket and its supporters have become noise ... just plain noise. What do people tend to do with noise .... yep, they shut it out. It seems to me like GOP supporters feel like they still need to be convincing their own fellow supporters to vote for McCain/Palin. Is this a please to not bail from a train headed for a wreck?
McCain/Palin going down. Thanks to "supports" like those I describe above.
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 07:16:01 AM
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And here comes the Counter
McCain made a mistake by going down the path of association |
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ritabradley01
3158 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 08:11:15 AM
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Originally posted by lunarhamster
What about Baraks association with ACORN?
ACORN is a group of community organizers, probably the most militant group of community organizers. ACORN grew out of something called the National Welfare Rights League which was another militant group in the Sixties.
They used to flood into welfare offices, kind of shut them down with protests and demand a great expansion of welfare coverage. And in recent decades that has morphed into ACORN. And ACORN leaders see themselves as unreconstructed far leftist, unafraid to use radical and militant tactics. They follow Saul Alinsky's direct action, which is another name for these intimidation tactics.
For example, if ACORN wants a bank to start making these high-risk loans, they might break into the office of a banker and flood it with protestors and basically scare the heck out of the guy trying to get him to change the bank's loan policy. They will even go and protest at the homes of bankers, scare their families. They'll flood protestors into the lobby of a bank, scare the customers away and, of course, in that way intimidate the banks into doing what they want.
And so ACORN uses these Alinsky-ite intimidation tactics. Of course, those are tactics that were studied by Obama, and Obama has had a very close relationship with ACORN for many, many years.
If some of these activists would spend as much time improving their own lives through education, attitude change and even a move into a different geographical area, they would probably find more success than with the current methods. |
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VVance
2486 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 2:37:33 PM
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| If I were the McCain Campaign, I would trade the Keating Scandal for Ayers, Bernadine Dohr, Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright in a heartbeat. |
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cspatmon
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 2:55:59 PM
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| In a heartbeat? Linking McCain to the Keating 5 is an actual occurrence. S&L vs' 70B bailout both resulted in some sort of US financial disaster...... The crap about Obama so-called associations has resulted into (what)....has impacted the US. I thought it was quite generous that Obama's camp had forewarned the McCain camp. |
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mykal5
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 3:10:00 PM
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I'm about as over Obama's associations as can be (with the exception of ACORN) and while I think it is quite telling that McCain chooses now to take up the issue of Obama's associations, I can't say that I blame McCain's camp. This is about winning at all costs.
I had hoped that the Obama camp would have stayed above the fray and avoided character assassinations and bringing up the past, but we are beyond that point now.
What will be interesting, at least for me is the public response, or more specifically how will that small sliver of votes both candidates are trying to attract respond?
Barring any surprises and a terrible performance by Obama in the debates, I think this race is about over. McCain was done in by a couple of issues most notably the economy.
I actually feel sorry for the guy. McCain is member of one of the greatest generations this country has ever produced and it hurts a bit to see him go out like this. I actually really do feel bad. |
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VVance
2486 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 3:17:48 PM
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Originally posted by cspatmon
In a heartbeat? Linking McCain to the Keating 5 is an actual occurrence. S&L vs' 70B bailout both resulted in some sort of US financial disaster...... The crap about Obama so-called associations has resulted into (what)....has impacted the US. I thought it was quite generous that Obama's camp had forewarned the McCain camp.
If you're so concerned with the Keating 5 and the 5's guilt by association, then what on earth was Obama doing campaigning with John Glenn yesterday, another of the Keating 5? |
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cspatmon
2088 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 4:06:05 PM
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| John Glenn is not running for POTUS. I'm not sure if you understand the camaraderie of the politicians. They play and pray together. |
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VVance
2486 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 4:08:42 PM
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| But if the Keating 5 is such an important issue, how can Obama associate himself with Glenn? How is Obama then any different from any other politician? |
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cspatmon
2088 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 4:21:21 PM
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| V Politics as well as Religion, they have doctrines, ideologies, and creeds that you agree. Therefore, to argue either is a lose, lose proposition. |
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