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Dharma
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 11:45:34 AM
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Any lenders on here who would do a 50% LTV land loan in AZ? It is zoned commercial by an airport. 6M loan amount Full file good exit strategy
Client/Borrower: Both of the clients have been lifelong investors/entrepreneurs/developers. The clients credit scores range from one having 600 FICOs’ to the other having 750+ ficos. The clients have extensive wealth and have ownership of several buildings, and more than a million dollars liquid in reserves. Additionally, they have 25+ years of real estate ownership and development experience.
Collateral: The project or property, which will be securing the loan, is 75 acres of highly regarded land located next to Buckeye Airport in Scottsdale, AZ that has municipal, state and federal strategic implications. The property is estimated to be valued in the $15mm range. All sources are indicating the required expansion of the airport which is become the Phoenix areas “second” airport over the next several years. This land will have great development value for hangers, warehouses, retail, parking, etc that will be vital to the airports planned expansion. Another real value to the land is added by the “water rights” that the land offers. The land has full water rights and in fact will contracting with the airport for shared use of water. The land is owned free and clear. The client purchased the land in 2003 for $1.7mm according to deed records. Granted the market has is going through a depreciating environment. This land was purchased with the very gamble in mind that in a set period of years the collateral would become required for government use and expansion of a current airport. As to personal security instruments…the clients would not be opposed using personal assets as a method of “cross collateralization”.
Loan Vitals: The client is interested in borrowing $6-8mm, which would be a 40-55% LTV. (The ltv is based on acreage in the area rather of comps from other surrounding airports. Airport acreage is more in the neighborhood of $8 per square vs. the $5 mentioned on the appraisal)
Use of Funds: The client will be using the proceeds from the loan to pay off the other partners ($6.5mm) and develop the land with some infrastructure, commercial (airport type i.e. warehouse and hangers) buildings. Upon paying of the partners…the client will be able to better access personal or other funds via local banks, etc to complete and any further expansion.
Exit Strategy: The clients has many exit possibilities…the last being the ability to sell for a large amount of profit. They will soon have in place a contract for sale of 12 acres of the land for the immediate expansion of the runway. This will net in the range of $2.5mm. The infrastructure that is then put in place with the planned development will allow for the refinance of the property in a better credit environment.
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ddmortgage
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 11:55:48 AM
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| I would be interested in looking at this project. email me if you are interested. |
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KHufford
10794 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2008 : 12:11:46 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Dharma
Any lenders on here who would do a 50% LTV land loan in AZ? It is zoned commercial by an airport. 6M loan amount Full file good exit strategy
Client/Borrower: Both of the clients have been lifelong investors/entrepreneurs/developers. The clients credit scores range from one having 600 FICOs’ to the other having 750+ ficos. The clients have extensive wealth and have ownership of several buildings, and more than a million dollars liquid in reserves. Additionally, they have 25+ years of real estate ownership and development experience.
Collateral: The project or property, which will be securing the loan, is 75 acres of highly regarded land located next to Buckeye Airport in Scottsdale, AZ that has municipal, state and federal strategic implications. The property is estimated to be valued in the $15mm range. All sources are indicating the required expansion of the airport which is become the Phoenix areas “second” airport over the next several years. This land will have great development value for hangers, warehouses, retail, parking, etc that will be vital to the airports planned expansion. Another real value to the land is added by the “water rights” that the land offers. The land has full water rights and in fact will contracting with the airport for shared use of water. The land is owned free and clear. The client purchased the land in 2003 for $1.7mm according to deed records. Granted the market has is going through a depreciating environment. This land was purchased with the very gamble in mind that in a set period of years the collateral would become required for government use and expansion of a current airport. As to personal security instruments…the clients would not be opposed using personal assets as a method of “cross collateralization”.
Loan Vitals: The client is interested in borrowing $6-8mm, which would be a 40-55% LTV. (The ltv is based on acreage in the area rather of comps from other surrounding airports. Airport acreage is more in the neighborhood of $8 per square vs. the $5 mentioned on the appraisal)
Use of Funds: The client will be using the proceeds from the loan to pay off the other partners ($6.5mm) and develop the land with some infrastructure, commercial (airport type i.e. warehouse and hangers) buildings. Upon paying of the partners…the client will be able to better access personal or other funds via local banks, etc to complete and any further expansion.
Exit Strategy: The clients has many exit possibilities…the last being the ability to sell for a large amount of profit. They will soon have in place a contract for sale of 12 acres of the land for the immediate expansion of the runway. This will net in the range of $2.5mm. The infrastructure that is then put in place with the planned development will allow for the refinance of the property in a better credit environment.
Sylvain,
I highlighed the issues with the gameplan here.
First, Buckeye is nowhere near Scottsdale?
Second, I have lived in AZ my entire life and never even so much as knew there was an airport there, and there are 2 other small airports, one in Mesa and one in Scottsdale that are the "2nd" airports to Sky Harbor in PHX.
No lender will allow cashout to a partner on this.
No Lender will fund this without an exact exit already decided.
This land was bought for 1.7M and no way has it appreciated to that 15MM value, its probably only worth that same amount.
Just trying to be upfront so you understand the issues from a perpective of someone here locally, I would kill this one.
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Dharma
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 12:24:49 PM
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Thanks Kyle. I appreciate your input.
I am doing this for a friend(really a friend..not trying to steal his deal). He has it with a lender for 8 pts...( whithout his points) . I was just hoping he will get a better deal. If I can't find better he will most likely close it but it is way too expensive. Anyways,I will not spend much time on it. I will let him deal with who ever says they are interested in the deal.he can judge if it is worth his time. Thanks. |
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dkendall1979
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 12:57:49 PM
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I'm a gambling man.
I'm willing to put good money that it won't close with the mysterious "other lender" charging 8pts.
There isn't a patch of dirt in this country that's appreciated 1000% in 5yrs time, especially since the last 2yrs have been the worst housing crisis in human history.
If there was a lender willing to put up the loan amount requested for the borrower on this one (which there is not) 8pts would be charity, not fees.
quote: Originally posted by Dharma
Thanks Kyle. I appreciate your input.
I am doing this for a friend(really a friend..not trying to steal his deal). He has it with a lender for 8 pts...( whithout his points) . I was just hoping he will get a better deal. If I can't find better he will most likely close it but it is way too expensive. Anyways,I will not spend much time on it. I will let him deal with who ever says they are interested in the deal.he can judge if it is worth his time. Thanks.
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KHufford
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 1:03:19 PM
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quote: Originally posted by dkendall1979
I'm a gambling man.
I'm willing to put good money that it won't close with the mysterious "other lender" charging 8pts.
There isn't a patch of dirt in this country that's appreciated 1000% in 5yrs time, especially since the last 2yrs have been the worst housing crisis in human history.
If there was a lender willing to put up the loan amount requested for the borrower on this one (which there is not) 8pts would be charity, not fees.
quote: Originally posted by Dharma
Thanks Kyle. I appreciate your input.
I am doing this for a friend(really a friend..not trying to steal his deal). He has it with a lender for 8 pts...( whithout his points) . I was just hoping he will get a better deal. If I can't find better he will most likely close it but it is way too expensive. Anyways,I will not spend much time on it. I will let him deal with who ever says they are interested in the deal.he can judge if it is worth his time. Thanks.
My thoughts also...I took a look at the appraisal, that land is not very desireable Sylvain...its honestly in the middle of nowhere. Even prime land in Scottsdale is being given away now...
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Dharma
117 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2008 : 1:05:36 PM
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| I guess I will know once it closes (or if it closes...) I will keep you guys posted...I am curious as well to know if he will ever close that loan with the other guy. The problem is not that the lender wants 8 pts. He is going through a broker who wants 6 pts on top of the 2 investor points. He had a conference call with them yesterday. I told him that I would never let a broker make 6 points for letting me use his investor. Anyways we'll see what happens... |
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KHufford
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 1:14:29 PM
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Well, that is a lot to charge, especially on the broker side. I doubt any real lender would even allow that much to be built into the loan, thats somewhat unheard of.
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Dharma
117 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2008 : 1:19:27 PM
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| i guess it will be a suspense ..... |
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Quicksilver
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 1:20:31 PM
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quote: Originally posted by KHufford
Well, that is a lot to charge, especially on the broker side. I doubt any real lender would even allow that much to be built into the loan, thats somewhat unheard of.
Agree, when dealing with private/equity lending there is no way the lender is going to allow the broker to charge that over their points, and there is no lender funding land for only 2 points (even when the market was good I have quite a bit of experience with land and not once were the points under 5 for investors that actually funded), guarantee thats a dead deal. You'll be lucky for an investor on deals like this to allow you to match their points. |
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