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Originally posted by assassin17

This has to be the most unbelievable quote I've seen all year. Condy Rice has balls of brass;

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Rice said just hours before leaving for France. "Things have changed."

I guess since Iraq wasn't our neighbor, it's ok on our end. She's right, this isn't 1968. Apparently, nothing's changed. Practice what you preach, idiot!

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Originally posted by assassin17

This has to be the most unbelievable quote I've seen all year. Condy Rice has balls of brass;

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Rice said just hours before leaving for France. "Things have changed."

I guess since Iraq wasn't our neighbor, it's ok on our end. She's right, this isn't 1968. Apparently, nothing's changed. Practice what you preach, idiot!

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Originally posted by Originate_This

Remind me again did Russia bring Georgia to the UN security council for failure of 14 UN resolutions? Did Russia try to gain support from other countries for a year before invading? I can understand the desire of some to draw parallels with Iraq, but the situation is not the same.

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Originally posted by ownerop

It's not the same. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, you cannot draw the conclusion that they are the same unless you are so one sided and politically driven to the left that you cannot possibly look at something objectively. We did not go into Iraq to take the country over or to colonize or ethnically cleanse the country, which is what Russia wants to do.

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Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

You might want to read this article to get a better picture of what happened!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4500160.ece

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Originally posted by khoiey

I think it's two different situations. At the time we all thought Iraq had Weapon of mass destruction and we went in with coalition backings.

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Originally posted by assassin17

This has to be the most unbelievable quote I've seen all year. Condy Rice has balls of brass;

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Rice said just hours before leaving for France. "Things have changed."

I guess since Iraq wasn't our neighbor, it's ok on our end. She's right, this isn't 1968. Apparently, nothing's changed. Practice what you preach, idiot!

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Originally posted by BigFire

hopefully Obama will comment and make strong recommendations. We will see.

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Originally posted by waymon2005

what are the chances of WW III

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Originally posted by BigFire

hopefully Obama will comment and make strong recommendations. We will see.

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Originally posted by brad.easter

I'm curious. What is the moral equivalency to Russia invading a sovreign country and the US situation in Iraq. We went with an international coalition, after going to the UN time and again, to enforce 14 UN resolutions. The Russians and every other intelligence agency in the world believed the WMD existed. I am puzzled why you people are always quick to defend the actions of tyrants and dictators and almost always feel the Bush Administration has lied and intend to kill our brave military on their whim.

I wish, just once that I saw a positive comment from the blame America first crowd. (Mykal5 this doesn't apply to you.)

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

What are the chances of WWIII?

It has already begun, but it's a different type of war now, an information war. The days of fighting face to face man to man are over. Ask the hundreds of thousands of families being killed in the middle east and they'll tell you about WW3.

The U.S. government just overthrew an entire sovereign country and is now in Iran to do the same thing. 48% of the worlds oil is in the middle east, and now the US gov has installations covering the entire area(Halliburton is the name of the main Oil co. drilling out there, run by Cheney and Bush). But they want you to believe they are not there for oil, but to spread world peace and protect us.


The twin towers and building 7 on september 911 fell at free fall speed, 9.8 seconds watch the clips and time it, this is scientific proof that bombs were planted in all the buildings. There was NO resistance in a 130 floor + steel frame building?

If bombs were in the buildings, which is the only way there could have been no resistance at each floor, it must have taken a team weeks to set them up, therefor 911 was an inside job.

If fuel indeed was the cause of the first steel frame building in the history of the world to collapse, IF this WAS the case, the floors would have melted slowly and the towers would have bent over in collapse and tipped, not fallen one by one in a strait line downwards with no resistance.

7 of the 8 engineers who built the WTC's know this science because they build the structures, you can find all their testimonies online.

Unfortunetely the US Gov keeps information from their people by restraining what is televised, however the rest of the world is slowly learning the truth. That the US Gov needed to ensure 911 happened in order to convince the US people that they need to go attack other countries to control their oil. And because a large catastrofic event was needed to change the patriot act and constitution.

Who has made hundreds of billions since 911, osama bin laden and his crew who are all still alive and well today by the way, or was it the bush administration?

Bin laden has been a CIA agent for over 20 years. His entire family was flown out of Virginia the day of 911. They served as the perfect patsy's.

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

I am a supporter of any polition who ask questions when confronted with scientific facts such as the law of gravity

I am a supporter of the hundreds of firefighters who reported bombs going off after the planes hit which forced them upwards and not downwards

I'm a supporter of the scientists who have found physical evidence of Thermite at ground zero indicating explosives



For those who think attacking your own country is far fetched- I just came back from visiting the Reichstag building in Germany, this was hitlers own parlimant building which he attacked himself to make his germans believe they needed to go to war. WW2 would have never happened without this event because the people wouldn't have let it happen. I know most americans wouldn't let their army overthrow another nation, unless ofcourse they tought they were under attack themselves.

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

The bombs were in the buildings attached to the core colums, this is why you can't see the bombs go off from the outside very clearly, however all you need to do is research the testimonies of all the firefighters at ground zero (who are constantly told to either shut up or lose their job) and they will tell you that the bombs were easily heard. Or listen to the testimonies of the people in the towers between the B1 and B2 levels who were blown upwards. Thermite proves the bombs were present, you can't deny this scientific evidnce.

In any controlled demolition you can't see the bombs because they are placed inside, all you see is the building fall at free fall speed.

If I do have children I will certainly ensure they learn the law of gravity in elementary school.

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Originally posted by TimmyZ1

Let's either get a seperate forum going for OT stuff like this or keep it to mortgages. God people I come here for mortgages if I wanted to ***** about politcs there are a lot better forums to do this.

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

Fire has never brought down a steel frame building in history, besides WTC 1, 2, and 7 on sept 11. WTC wasn't even hit by a plane and yet it fell at free fall speed, the story is that it was hit by debris which made it collapse. They don't even mention WTC 7 in the 911 'ommision' report. Fox news reported wtc7 falling before it even fell, you can find this video online, this is because the gov let this information go to the media before it even happened.

In the video you will see the news reported saying WTC just feel, and in the background you can see it still standing, then falling a minute later- the reporter was a bit dumbfounded.

Fire does not bring down a building in that fasion, that quickly, fire takes time to burn through steel. Even if it did burn through a floor, the top would have tipped over not fallen directly downwards. And EVEN if it did fall downwards it would have encountered resistance at each floor, thus making the fall time more than 9.8 seconds. If I threw a bowling ball down from the top of the WTC when it started to fall, it would have hit the ground at the same time as the top of the building.

How did the best air defense system in the world let a giant airplane even close to the pentagon. They can see every plane flying in the entire united states and what path it's on.

The engineers who build the structures, and controlled demolition experts, these testimonies are all over the place. The information is out there just go out and grab it.

I appreciate those of you who are speaking about this very major issue in such a proffessional fasion. I wonder about those who are attacking my home city rater than my political views themselves.

Many americans are not even open to looking into the issue and questioning and I admire those who do at least question.

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Originally posted by TimmyZ1

Let's either get a seperate forum going for OT stuff like this or keep it to mortgages. God people I come here for mortgages if I wanted to ***** about politcs there are a lot better forums to do this.

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

I used to be this way as well, whenever I didn't have an answer to a questions, my answer would be a question itself

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Originally posted by darkstar

>>>>A better argument is building #7's collapse. The way that thing went down is extremely suspect.


They pulled the note, was ready to adjust, better to let it be a part of the "situation"...

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

I used to be this way as well, whenever I didn't have an answer to a questions, my answer would be a question itself

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Originally posted by Davemtg

It is unpatriotic to joke about 9/11. Darkstar and dkendall need to have a nice vacation at Gitmo, that will give them something to laugh about.

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Originally posted by abed_converimax

Fire has never brought down a steel frame building in history, besides WTC 1, 2, and 7 on sept 11. WTC wasn't even hit by a plane and yet it fell at free fall speed, the story is that it was hit by debris which made it collapse. They don't even mention WTC 7 in the 911 'ommision' report. Fox news reported wtc7 falling before it even fell, you can find this video online, this is because the gov let this information go to the media before it even happened.

In the video you will see the news reported saying WTC just feel, and in the background you can see it still standing, then falling a minute later- the reporter was a bit dumbfounded.

Fire does not bring down a building in that fasion, that quickly, fire takes time to burn through steel. Even if it did burn through a floor, the top would have tipped over not fallen directly downwards. And EVEN if it did fall downwards it would have encountered resistance at each floor, thus making the fall time more than 9.8 seconds. If I threw a bowling ball down from the top of the WTC when it started to fall, it would have hit the ground at the same time as the top of the building.

How did the best air defense system in the world let a giant airplane even close to the pentagon. They can see every plane flying in the entire united states and what path it's on.

The engineers who build the structures, and controlled demolition experts, these testimonies are all over the place. The information is out there just go out and grab it.

I appreciate those of you who are speaking about this very major issue in such a proffessional fasion. I wonder about those who are attacking my home city rater than my political views themselves.

Many americans are not even open to looking into the issue and questioning and I admire those who do at least question.

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Originally posted by Davemtg

It is unpatriotic to joke about 9/11. Darkstar and dkendall need to have a nice vacation at Gitmo, that will give them something to laugh about.

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