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Elizabeth Madrig
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 Posted - 07/30/2008 : 6:53:28 PM
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I have found several web sites that offer 'free search engine listings', which of course do not truly offer anything but 'free' trial offers, etc. There is a hitch in every single one I have tried, including a requirement that their logo/link be posted on my web site.
Any suggestions for my company's listings? We only serve Washington State and Oregon and do not find it practical to advertise nationally.
Hope everyone is staying alive economically. Hang in there, the recovery is coming... |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 7:51:51 PM
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Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff. |
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ML
2217 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 8:24:14 PM
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OR you could become a Premium Member and have the keys to a very powerful marketing engine at your fingertips for $10 bucks a month!
Here's a link to the marketing intro:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/premium/introduction.asp |
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racerx
11093 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 8:30:58 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ML
OR you could become a Premium Member and have the keys to a very powerful marketing engine at your fingertips for $10 bucks a month!
Here's a link to the marketing intro:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/premium/introduction.asp
Xanthum Gum would be so proud of you. Are you taking over his parttime job pimping BO Premium membership? |
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ML
2217 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 9:04:06 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by racerx
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Originally posted by ML
OR you could become a Premium Member and have the keys to a very powerful marketing engine at your fingertips for $10 bucks a month!
Here's a link to the marketing intro:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/premium/introduction.asp
Xanthum Gum would be so proud of you. Are you taking over his parttime job pimping BO Premium membership?
Somebody has to hold down the fort, while simultaneously dabbling in food viscosity experimentation with my on-line friends Polysorbate 80 and Disodium Glutamate! |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 10:30:03 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ML
OR you could become a Premium Member and have the keys to a very powerful marketing engine at your fingertips for $10 bucks a month!
Here's a link to the marketing intro:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/premium/introduction.asp
LOL. Shameless pimp tag! Gotta do it, I know! MSG and P-80 don't pay the bills do they? |
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jcamacho3
28 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:04:16 PM
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joes6370,
Can you dumb it down for those of us who don't reside in our parents' basement?
Just kidding, bro.
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ML
2217 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:17:12 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
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Originally posted by ML
OR you could become a Premium Member and have the keys to a very powerful marketing engine at your fingertips for $10 bucks a month!
Here's a link to the marketing intro:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/premium/introduction.asp
LOL. Shameless pimp tag! Gotta do it, I know! MSG and P-80 don't pay the bills do they?
It's like anything, it all depends on HOW you use it!  |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:32:31 PM
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Originally posted by jcamacho3
joes6370,
Can you dumb it down for those of us who don't reside in our parents' basement?
Just kidding, bro.
Haha these days you're close but not quite. Oh and the "2 Steves" (Wozniak and Jobs) that started apple built the first Apple in their Mom's basement, it was a circuit board in a briefcase shell. Look it up. I **** you not.
Bill Gates was a business partner with Jobs and Paul Allen and he started in Mom's garage when he dropped out of Harvard after he stole Jobs' business plan and started Microsoft based on the Apple OS.
Edison made his first lightbulb in a basement, don't know if it was his Mom's.
Henry Ford I was 43 when he made the breakthrough that was to become mass production (he did not invent the internal combustion engine as many believe) and he did it in - yep. His barn but that is the California equivalent of a garage or midwest = basement.
Being broke makes us work harder and smarter. The rest panhandle and wash windshields until they die of a drug overdose. That's not me!
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jcamacho3
28 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 11:45:22 PM
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All true! I don't dispute any of it. Actually, my first computer was an Apple 2C, but I didn't use it in my parents' basement. I guess I was never destined for fame in the world of science and technology.
What is one to do other than to join the hordes of mortgage brokers? |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 12:06:05 AM
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Originally posted by jcamacho3
All true! I don't dispute any of it. Actually, my first computer was an Apple 2C, but I didn't use it in my parents' basement. I guess I was never destined for fame in the world of science and technology.
What is one to do other than to join the hordes of mortgage brokers?
Both! |
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JoefromPhilly
460 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 07:54:07 AM
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Do a search on SEO tips and you will get a lot of ideas. One thing to do is to use the <h1> tag on your page(s) and in that tag, say something like "Home Mortgages for Washington and Oregon Buyers". If you provide a lot of content and not just sales hype, your site will gain favor with Google.
- Joe |
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mcamp60610
550 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 08:02:17 AM
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Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
So, you're an "expert" and you're talking about Meta tags and calling adwords a gimmick?
Code the bots? Tell them in the HTML?
Search bots can't read php or asp? What the heck are you talking about. PHP and ASP are dynamic programming languages that are database driven, THIS website is ASP-based, and I think most people know how easily pages from this site appears in the search results.
Now, I'm not going to go into details, but I've only read one post and I can tell you HAVE NO CLUE about search marketing.
Calling yourself an expert doesn't make you one.
You should at least spend one day reading on http://www.seomoz.org/ too many people listen to advice because of it sounds correct even though it isn't.
Most of what you said is either out of date or just wrong. |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 1:12:37 PM
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Originally posted by mcamp60610
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Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
So, you're an "expert" and you're talking about Meta tags and calling adwords a gimmick?
Code the bots? Tell them in the HTML?
Search bots can't read php or asp? What the heck are you talking about. PHP and ASP are dynamic programming languages that are database driven, THIS website is ASP-based, and I think most people know how easily pages from this site appears in the search results.
Now, I'm not going to go into details, but I've only read one post and I can tell you HAVE NO CLUE about search marketing.
Calling yourself an expert doesn't make you one.
You should at least spend one day reading on http://www.seomoz.org/ too many people listen to advice because of it sounds correct even though it isn't.
Most of what you said is either out of date or just wrong.
I have 22 years in total of computer experience. I know 5 programming languages. I do websites and get paid for it. Tell me again how you, lead provider with your shameless taglines in your signature, are qualified to judge my skills? You are selling something. I'm not. What I offer here comes with no strings attached. It makes me question your motive for anything you post when you're selling something. You're not objective or neutral.
People like you who just prefer to attack others instead of posting helpful content are a dime a dozen. If I am so wrong, post your own opinion of what the OP should do. Go bark at someone else, little doggy, because you can't bite. |
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Cash Doctor
800 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 1:17:38 PM
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How often should I code for Google to come back. Great Idea with at least getting a date on top to update.
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Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
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sithburns
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 1:46:29 PM
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I have spent a good year learning SEO myself. It's far more cost effective than paying someone... but it is highly time consuming.
What everyone has failed to mention so far is that of main importance to google is your link popularity. You need good relevant backlinks on top of highly optimized web pages that are sufficently loaded wih the keywords your optimizing for.
Yes meta tags and the such are great as are lat tags for images, but good quality backlinks to your site will beat them all out in importance every time.
Just do some homework... you can do it :) |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 1:53:29 PM
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Originally posted by mcamp60610
Most of what you said is either out of date or just wrong.
Nope. You're wrong. He gave rock-solid advice. |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:10:21 PM
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Originally posted by sithburns
I have spent a good year learning SEO myself. It's far more cost effective than paying someone... but it is highly time consuming.
What everyone has failed to mention so far is that of main importance to google is your link popularity. You need good relevant backlinks on top of highly optimized web pages that are sufficently loaded wih the keywords your optimizing for.
Yes meta tags and the such are great as are lat tags for images, but good quality backlinks to your site will beat them all out in importance every time.
Just do some homework... you can do it :)
Good feedback. I did say in my original answer to the OP that I didn't have any experience with Google adwords and never used it. I am curious to hear from anyone who created a site without using it and then started using it (or yahoo, MSN) and what the results were. Is it worth the money? Assuming the pages have a sitemap and a good linkage web to circulate the spiders already in place, did adwords or the equivalent pay for itself?
My post dealt with what a person could do to help in the pages themselves, and I was trying to keep it simple enough that a person with minimal knowledge of website design and SEO could utilize the info. I think all but one person in here understood that. The one thing I would change is where I said "I do know it can be very expensive and isn't necessary especially in a localized market" because not having ever used adwords I can't really make that statement. I should say "I don't think it's necessary in a localized market." Because that's my opinion. That could change though. Anyone want to help me change it with experiential feedback? |
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rooki
156 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:13:52 PM
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hrm. sounded like good advice, (as it echos alot of things I have read in my search for SEO success)
Anywyas, I did not want to resurect the old website thread. So I wanted to see what tips you might have for me to further increase my SEO sucesss. I listened to alot of bankers advice and have overhauled my site - so I want to see your guy's opinion now, SEO-wise
here is my site www.heindrickso.com
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ritabradley01
2316 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:23:10 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
Oooo nerd talk. That's hot Joe. Seriously. No seriously I love it.  |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:24:05 PM
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Originally posted by Cash Doctor
How often should I code for Google to come back. Great Idea with at least getting a date on top to update.
I use 7 days, but coupled with updating the pages daily with a date stamp the bots usually crawl my sites every day or every other day on average. Put this in your page code with the other metatags:
<META content="index, follow" name=robots>
<META content="7 days" name=revisit-after>
<META content="7 days" name="revisit" /> |
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sithburns
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:28:24 PM
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There are some things very technial in nature I notice right off the bat.
I think to have an impact and something you can do yourself is more good content. Your going to have to have pages for each individual loan program such as FHA, Conventional, refinance, VA, etc...
Each page should be specifically designed and optimzied for keyworsd that page is speaking to. right now the page has almost no good content on it.
Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks. Submit your site to directories in mortgage or loan categories. Look online for the keywords you are looking for and contact high ranking companies and suggest link exchange or beg them to give you a one way link which is even better.
Focusing on those two things should yeild you better results in the SERPs your looking for. |
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sithburns
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:29:57 PM
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| and this page is not working: http://www.heindrickso.com/category/realtor/ |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:38:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by rooki
hrm. sounded like good advice, (as it echos alot of things I have read in my search for SEO success)
Anywyas, I did not want to resurect the old website thread. So I wanted to see what tips you might have for me to further increase my SEO sucesss. I listened to alot of bankers advice and have overhauled my site - so I want to see your guy's opinion now, SEO-wise
here is my site www.heindrickso.com
I would put some alt tags on your images that mention some keywords in the text. there's no mouseover text. Use every opportunity to hide keywords within your code with a legitimate purpose. Name your images that way too. (mortage_house1.gif, bayarearealestate.jgp, etc.) I would also add a specific datestamp on the page and manually change something on the page daily so there is a difference and it has to be re-cached by the bots. They compare it to the pages already in the DB and if it's different it gets updated, thus bringing the activity rank up. Too many people fire and forget, and never change the pages once uploaded.
Put those revisit meta's in your header too. Couldn't hurt. No one sees it unless they look at your source but only us geeks do that. |
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rooki
156 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:42:03 PM
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lol alright so put this code:
<META content="index, follow" name=robots>
<META content="7 days" name=revisit-after>
<META content="7 days" name="revisit" />
into my header file. and just so i understand, this will tell bots that i update my site often and to check back in 7days?
thanks for the advice sitburn. I'm still working on content, and have just consciously made the shift to avoid being "newsy" and transition towards original content. As for the basic mortgage info that most sites already have, I know I will need to inlcude that as well. As for the realtor page, i just started that section recently and plan on putting local realtor interviews in that section.
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jcamacho3
28 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:45:26 PM
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joes6370,
What happened to your friend? You know,the one who was claiming that your information was "either out of date or just wrong". Seems he is nowhere to be found, while others have tended to agree with you. Interesting.
p.s. You certainly seem to have gotten Rita's attention! |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:46:19 PM
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| You can accomplish the same thing in a much more efficient manner with a "Robots.txt" file and usage of site mapping. It is a MUCH better way to control what and when your sites get indexed. |
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mcamp60610
550 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:54:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
quote:
Originally posted by mcamp60610
quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
So, you're an "expert" and you're talking about Meta tags and calling adwords a gimmick?
Code the bots? Tell them in the HTML?
Search bots can't read php or asp? What the heck are you talking about. PHP and ASP are dynamic programming languages that are database driven, THIS website is ASP-based, and I think most people know how easily pages from this site appears in the search results.
Now, I'm not going to go into details, but I've only read one post and I can tell you HAVE NO CLUE about search marketing.
Calling yourself an expert doesn't make you one.
You should at least spend one day reading on http://www.seomoz.org/ too many people listen to advice because of it sounds correct even though it isn't.
Most of what you said is either out of date or just wrong.
I have 22 years in total of computer experience. I know 5 programming languages. I do websites and get paid for it. Tell me again how you, lead provider with your shameless taglines in your signature, are qualified to judge my skills? You are selling something. I'm not. What I offer here comes with no strings attached. It makes me question your motive for anything you post when you're selling something. You're not objective or neutral.
People like you who just prefer to attack others instead of posting helpful content are a dime a dozen. If I am so wrong, post your own opinion of what the OP should do. Go bark at someone else, little doggy, because you can't bite.
You've posted what? 80ish times?
I have run over 100 successful campaigns for local Seo. Just google Chicago Wedding Video, or Chicago mortgage company, or merchant advance reseller, I have clients in the top 3 for very competitive keywords. As a matter of fact before we changed our URL we were number 2 for business optimization right behind Omniture.
And I've posted "free help here". But, there's a difference I'm BUSY DOING, too busy doing to offer free information normally.
And if you're good at it, don't do it for free. I'm going to break down everything that you said that doesn't make sense and why in about 40 minutes after another call.
Your information is not only old it's out of date and that's a fact. And YFOS, I don't sell websites or seo to residential brokers anymore. I've made that clear time and time again, I've told people on the phone time and time again, I'm just calling bullcrap where calling it is due. |
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renet
8 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:56:15 PM
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One way in-bound links my friend. Go get em!
Find dofollow blogs, dofollow forums, dofollow directories and comment away. Make sure to nail down all the sites within your industry and than expand into sub catagories of your industry and keep going out from there.
In my profile you w8ll find one of my sites that has a few pointers on seo and webmaster tools. take a look. |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 2:59:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
You can accomplish the same thing in a much more efficient manner with a "Robots.txt" file and usage of site mapping. It is a MUCH better way to control what and when your sites get indexed.
True but do you want to post instructions for how to create an effective one here? ;) That's more than just a help post. I was trying to KIS but the stupid bot code won't hurt either hehe.
Here's a link that explains it:
http://www.javascriptkit.com/howto/robots.shtml |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:01:27 PM
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Mcamp, he is NOT wrong. That isn't to say that your methods don't work, but you clearly aren't reading exactly how he worded it because his way DOES help. While inbound links are definitely the best method, the way he formulated what he said is absolutely correct because all search engines use different algorithms. There is no "perfect" way to raise your rank everywhere and you must use ALL methods.
Most importantly, he is giving solid advice on how to do it for FREE, whereas you are not! |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:03:36 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by mcamp60610
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Originally posted by joes6370
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Originally posted by mcamp60610
quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
Much of it depends on site content and what's in your html code. I don't use Google adwords or any other marketing gimmick. I can't say how much that affects your ultimate ranking. I do know that it can be very expensive and it's not necessary, especially for local targets.
Make sure you have good meta's and don't overdo it. Bots are much smarter today than they used to be. Obvious repetition will get you fast-tracked into the spammer folder. Use words that are relevant to your area and your business. Keep the tags short. Title less than 60 chrs., Content less than 120 and keywords less than 180.
Code the bots to revisit your pages and how often directly in the html. Update your pages daily. Put the update date on the page somehwere. I use the footer because I can homepage it and use SSI for the other pages. Remember that most bots can't read SSI or java/asp/php content because it is created dynamically at load. OK I think I'm getting too geeked out here. I don't know your background or if I lost you. LMK if you are following me and I can elaborate more.
If you aren't already savvy on this subject you would benefit from paying someone who is an SEO expert and does it for a living. I do it but this is not a solicitation. This is free advice. Find a local person whom you can meet with to go over your personal business plans for the site.
There's a lot of things that can be done to your code and content to optimize it but it's not layman stuff.
So, you're an "expert" and you're talking about Meta tags and calling adwords a gimmick?
Code the bots? Tell them in the HTML?
Search bots can't read php or asp? What the heck are you talking about. PHP and ASP are dynamic programming languages that are database driven, THIS website is ASP-based, and I think most people know how easily pages from this site appears in the search results.
Now, I'm not going to go into details, but I've only read one post and I can tell you HAVE NO CLUE about search marketing.
Calling yourself an expert doesn't make you one.
You should at least spend one day reading on http://www.seomoz.org/ too many people listen to advice because of it sounds correct even though it isn't.
Most of what you said is either out of date or just wrong.
I have 22 years in total of computer experience. I know 5 programming languages. I do websites and get paid for it. Tell me again how you, lead provider with your shameless taglines in your signature, are qualified to judge my skills? You are selling something. I'm not. What I offer here comes with no strings attached. It makes me question your motive for anything you post when you're selling something. You're not objective or neutral.
People like you who just prefer to attack others instead of posting helpful content are a dime a dozen. If I am so wrong, post your own opinion of what the OP should do. Go bark at someone else, little doggy, because you can't bite.
You've posted what? 80ish times?
I have run over 100 successful campaigns for local Seo. Just google Chicago Wedding Video, or Chicago mortgage company, or merchant advance reseller, I have clients in the top 3 for very competitive keywords. As a matter of fact before we changed our URL we were number 2 for business optimization right behind Omniture.
And I've posted "free help here". But, there's a difference I'm BUSY DOING, too busy doing to offer free information normally.
And if you're good at it, don't do it for free. I'm going to break down everything that you said that doesn't make sense and why in about 40 minutes after another call.
Your information is not only old it's out of date and that's a fact. And YFOS, I don't sell websites or seo to residential brokers anymore. I've made that clear time and time again, I've told people on the phone time and time again, I'm just calling bullcrap where calling it is due.
Ok so again I ask, where is your help for the OP? While you're having a wonderful time trying to beat me up for trying to help you've wasted space and time essentially making yourself look like the barking little doggy I already said you are. All talk, no action. If you're too busy to provide free info but have time to bash people who do, well, I can't quite wrap my mind around that "problem" in a way that makes any sense. Just post how much you'll charge the OP for your yet to be proven services and be done with it.
BTW I never claimed that my posts contain every method known to mankind for increasing web presence. You've tooted your own horn with your resume, so some input for the people asking for help in this thread is in order to compensate them for the inconvenience and prove to them that you aren't just another angry volcano spewing ash to the public.
You say you're too "BUSY DOING" and ended the sentence. DOING what? LOL! I'm BUSY DOING too. All of us are. Busy blowing up your inflated ego? Be careful, ego's, like balloons have a pressure point. Don't pop! |
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jcamacho3
28 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:05:44 PM
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mcamp60610,
"I don't sell websites or seo to residential brokers anymore."
So what are you doing on BO? If you truly are so "busy doing", how is it that you find the free time to come on here to spout off to people who are only trying to help others? |
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joes6370
115 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:06:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
Mcamp, he is NOT wrong. That isn't to say that your methods don't work, but you clearly aren't reading exactly how he worded it because his way DOES help. While inbound links are definitely the best method, the way he formulated what he said is absolutely correct because all search engines use different algorithms. There is no "perfect" way to raise your rank everywhere and you must use ALL methods.
Most importantly, he is giving solid advice on how to do it for FREE, whereas you are not!
There is no cure for a know it all. Theres a few in every group that just arent happy until they've ruined everyone elses mood. Share the wealth, only their 'wealth' happens to be anger and malcontent. I think these people actually think they are helping others. |
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sithburns
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:07:31 PM
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| True but the only search engine you should be optimizing for is Google. That's a fact jack :) |
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renet
8 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:11:57 PM
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Yes, While inbound links are probably the most powerful factor in ranking it is important to rank for your targeted keywords.
So, you could have hundreds of inbound links with the anchor text "click here" and you not gonna get a lot of traffic because folks won't find you for "new york city loans"
While folks argue against title tags I am a firm believer in them. If you are ranking for a non competitive keyword than don't worry. Thru some tactics I use I can get a fairly non competitive keyword indexed into google and on page 1 sometimes in less than 4 hours.
On the other hand a highly competitive word you better have all seo bells and whistles humming on all 8 cylinders. If you want some quick traffic go after long tail keywords. Make sure the title of your blog post is exactly the keyword you are going after. Load up the content with the keyword without over doing it. Inner linking within your site. At least 3 paragraphs with a few sentences each. First para should have the KW at least three times in bold. last para repeat the kw.
Pay close attention to your nav bar. There are some navigation tricks that can be used and I have coined a term called "keyword concantenation" which is highly effective and at this point I do not disclose how I employ this tactic. It is strictly used in my seo services. |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:12:09 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by joes6370
True but do you want to post instructions for how to create an effective one here? ;) That's more than just a help post. I was trying to KIS but the stupid bot code won't hurt either hehe.
For novices, it will be much easier to download a program such as Sitemapper (I personally felt SoftPlus GSiteCreator was extremely easy to use when I started), which will create Robots.txt, Sitemap.xml, and Sitemap.htm files that various engines will use to index your site. It is very easy unless you really want to code by hand.
The farther in the chain your pages are from the main page, the least effect they will have on your scoring, so it is important to force indexing more often on the more-important pages and also to restrict indexing irrelevant pages. Sitemap creator software allows it to be done very easily. The XML file is a very important one. Sample coding would be;
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="gss.xsl"?>
<urlset xmlns="http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.google.com/schemas/sitemap/0.84 http://www.sitemaps.org/schemas/sitemap/0.9/sitemap.xsd">
<url><loc>http://www.brewcitymortgage.com/</loc><lastmod>2008-06-06T10:12:23+00:00</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq><priority>1.00</priority></url>
<url><loc>http://www.brewcitymortgage.com/sitemap.htm</loc><lastmod>2008-06-06T10:12:25+00:00</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq><priority>0.75</priority></url>
</urlset>
etc.
Much easier to go download software to do it. Take note upon the important parameters of CHANGEFREQ and PRIORITY. |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:16:45 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by sithburns
True but the only search engine you should be optimizing for is Google. That's a fact jack :)
That's what people used to say about Netscape browsers, AOL, Linux OS, and Apple Macs. Very shortsighted thinking, since the computer world changes every 90 days.
Once Microsoft gets their hands on Yahoo, you can kiss Google goodbye. Hey, I'll be glad to take every Yahoo click that you don't want right now. Any day, any time. More than enough for my needs.
Wouldn't it always be better to show up on ALL of them? |
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ML
2217 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:17:19 PM
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Ha, Ha, Ha-
You dumbass Mortgage Monkeys...I don't know my arse from a hole in the ground when it comes to html code, but I know I know more than you!
You know how I know this? I pay Darin & IB $10 bucks a month to figure out all that crap, so I can spend my valuable time cruising p*rn!!!
The Premium Member Support Forum for Internet Marketing and Traffic Generating Tools is optimized to get the word out to the spiders and the bots and all the other stuff I pay somebody else to figure out.
There are numerous BO Premium members, that when you search "Oregon Mortgage Broker" (or Milwaukee Mortgage, or a similar regional type search) their names appear on the FIRST page of Google.
Yes, even the Mortgage Monkeys that are running their mortgage business out of their Mom's basement have been successful enough to get their very own apartment utilizing this system, give it a looksee! |
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ritabradley01
2316 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:23:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jcamacho3
joes6370,
What happened to your friend? You know,the one who was claiming that your information was "either out of date or just wrong". Seems he is nowhere to be found, while others have tended to agree with you. Interesting.
p.s. You certainly seem to have gotten Rita's attention!
I love smart guys. And I was trying to give Joe a little support. He's a good enough guy.
R2 |
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sithburns
150 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:24:50 PM
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Focusing optimization on Google is not short sighted. It's a good strategy. Any idea how much of the market Google has on internet search?
I optimize for google and still get traffic from AOL, Yahoo, and some MSN. |
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renet
8 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:27:58 PM
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ML - I agree. IF BO is getting brokers that can of placement it's worth every bit of $10.00 a month. You can't just depend on 1 website all the time.
Suppose you have a 'great' site. But, it does not appeal to me. Than, you've lost me.
Maybe I respond better to lots of graphics or perhaps I want an intuitive site full of links that I can drill down to the info I am looking for.
So, why not have several sites? Hum.. $10.00 a month and get 10 of them and you won't even have to do much of the seo work.. i assume.. Not sure much about BO but I will even look into one for myself. |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:30:29 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by ML
Ha, Ha, Ha-
You dumbass Mortgage Monkeys...I don't know my arse from a hole in the ground when it comes to html code, but I know I know more than you!
You know how I know this? I pay Darin & IB $10 bucks a month to figure out all that crap, so I can spend my valuable time cruising p*rn!!!
The Premium Member Support Forum for Internet Marketing and Traffic Generating Tools is optimized to get the word out to the spiders and the bots and all the other stuff I pay somebody else to figure out.
There are numerous BO Premium members, that when you search "Oregon Mortgage Broker" (or Milwaukee Mortgage, or a similar regional type search) their names appear on the FIRST page of Google.
Yes, even the Mortgage Monkeys that are running their mortgage business out of their Mom's basement have been successful enough to get their very own apartment utilizing this system, give it a looksee!
Give it a rest. I typed in "Milwaukee Mortgage" on Google and didn't see a single one of them or anything to do with BO on the first page. Anyone shortsighted enough to even attempt that 2-word fiasco as their main keyword will be eaten alive by the big boys.
Your 10 bucks a month for cookie-cutter tools is going to give you exactly that... cookie-cutter results. You know what the problem with that is? You are all paying for exactly the same thing, ranking exactly the same, and there is no advantage over everyone else doing the same thing.
You better get a little more creative in the Man's World of the internet than to just let someone else do the work. |
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mcamp60610
550 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:30:39 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by sithburns
Focusing optimization on Google is not short sighted. It's a good strategy. Any idea how much of the market Google has on internet search?
I optimize for google and still get traffic from AOL, Yahoo, and some MSN.
65% of the American search market. AOL simply uses Google's results. Yahoo's search marketing program and search algorithm is a joke. Live.com is the new frontier. |
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jcamacho3
28 Posts |
Posted - 07/31/2008 : 3:37:54 PM
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Oh Rita...if only you knew the guy. He's a total jerk.
Just kidding. He is a decent enough fellow. I'm not big on all of this IT stuff, so I entrust joes6370 to figure it out for me. I am pretty sure I wouldn't want someone as bitter as the website/wedding planner holding the keys to all things related to my internet presence. What if I didn't properly satiate his hunger for ego gratification? What if I questioned his omnisci | |
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