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CapitalMortGroup

63 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  2:48:30 PM
I met this company at the NAMB convention in Fl and they seemed to be well informed with a good marketing system in place. Does any one have any experience with them working on loan modifications?

www.ForeclosureAvoidanceNetwork.com

Initial broker setup fee is $2995 + $395.mo.

They charge $3500 to the borrower for a loan modification regardless of loan size, $2k to the broker.

I am looking to team up with a reputable load modification firm.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!
c2cl

416 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:01:26 PM
Coantact Courtney at NFI channon@nfihelp. There is no set up charges they charge a flat fee for processing and negotiations and you keep the rest. Channon@nfihelp.com is her e-mail and they do provide support and will train you.
KHufford

10407 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:03:55 PM
In my opinion you should NOT have to pay anything to 'set up' with them...you are sending them business....makes zero sense whatsoever.
isitfree

1285 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:18:26 PM
Why not charge a set up fee?

It's free to do a loan mod direct with the lender, but the client chooses to work with the loan mod company for a fee.

So, the loan mod company charges a fee to set up the affiliate, even though that 'could be' free too.

And carrying on with this logic, send me $299 for reading this very informative post.
KHufford

10407 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:25:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by isitfree

Why not charge a set up fee?

It's free to do a loan mod direct with the lender, but the client chooses to work with the loan mod company for a fee.

So, the loan mod company charges a fee to set up the affiliate, even though that 'could be' free too.

And carrying on with this logic, send me $299 for reading this very informative post.



Its bull. Thats like me telling a Realtor, I need a 500$ setup fee to add them to my referral databsase so they can send me their clients..you are making them money. Anything charging you as an employee of some sort to start up, is a scam, same thing with pyramid schemes.
isitfree

1285 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:33:51 PM
Where's my $299?
Rene Viloria

2450 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:34:28 PM
don't pay it!
ForeSolution

10 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  3:46:59 PM
Don't bother with them. They had a seminar here in Washington D.C. last month. Ron Quintero was the speaker. He knows a lot about the loan modification business, but their company is not well setup. Very good seller though as he almost had me convinced to joined them. It just didn't make sense to pay them an upfront setup fee when we are the ones originating the business. Their fees were also too much.
Hustler12

1334 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:29:15 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ForeSolution

Don't bother with them. They had a seminar here in Washington D.C. last month. Ron Quintero was the speaker. He knows a lot about the loan modification business, but their company is not well setup. Very good seller though as he almost had me convinced to joined them. It just didn't make sense to pay them an upfront setup fee when we are the ones originating the business. Their fees were also too much.



In my honest opinion (not soliciting biz here), I think its silly for any company, loan mod or not, to try and charge mortgage brokers junk fees....right?
Managing Prime

2960 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:33:38 PM
What I would like to see is a company that has a one page form that the LO fills out with the homeowner. The form submits to the MOD company. A sales person with the MOD company contacts homeowner and attempts to make sale. If a sale is made the LO gets 100ish per sale.

That is the model that works best for producing LO's. Why no one has come up with it yet I have no idea.

Hustler12

1334 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:35:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

What I would like to see is a company that has a one page form that the LO fills out with the homeowner. The form submits to the MOD company. A sales person with the MOD company contacts homeowner and attempts to make sale. If a sale is made the LO gets 100ish per sale.

That is the model that works best for producing LO's. Why no one has come up with it yet I have no idea.





I use to have a referral program. $250/file. I'm working on a new one, but the affiliate program has swamped me. My old sales guy prefer to work as an affiliate for me instead of handle the referrals. <--just my experience.
Hustler12

1334 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:37:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

What I would like to see is a company that has a one page form that the LO fills out with the homeowner. The form submits to the MOD company. A sales person with the MOD company contacts homeowner and attempts to make sale. If a sale is made the LO gets 100ish per sale.

That is the model that works best for producing LO's. Why no one has come up with it yet I have no idea.





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mortgagemessiah

8003 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:40:45 PM
With the loan mod companies I work with I just do a referral. It seems to work fine.
ppulatie

2405 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  4:58:16 PM
I just do referrals to the attorneys, and get nothing extra from the client other than the $350 audit fee, which does get adjusted for people with lesser means than that. $3500 is too much money for most people. And $2k to the lo bringing them in? Here we go again....all about the big commission.
Managing Prime

2960 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:16:00 PM
So do you!

http://dialingprime.com/phpforms/index.php?fid=08632a4e1d
rayggar

5 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:18:15 PM
Is anybody here doing serious loan mod volume?
Hustler12

1334 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:20:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rayggar

Is anybody here doing serious loan mod volume?



The best affiliate I have sends me 4-5 every week. Not much volume since he has 3.5 guys calling.
rayggar

5 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:22:02 PM
Beau, I called your 714 # to get more info. but it goes to voicemail. Do you have a number that i can call you directly to discuss?
Hustler12

1334 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:23:57 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rayggar

Beau, I called your 714 # to get more info. but it goes to voicemail. Do you have a number that i can call you directly to discuss?



Walking out the door right now, call me tomorrow.
ForeSolution

10 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:35:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

What I would like to see is a company that has a one page form that the LO fills out with the homeowner. The form submits to the MOD company. A sales person with the MOD company contacts homeowner and attempts to make sale. If a sale is made the LO gets 100ish per sale.

That is the model that works best for producing LO's. Why no one has come up with it yet I have no idea.





Because the LOs are alway hungry for more. They will not settle for 100ish per sale when they know they can make much more. It is all about the commission or should I say benjamins rather than looking for the best interest of the thousand and thousands of desperate people in desperate situations.

I believe that every loan mod company should have a full refundable fee if they cannot accomplish a modification. It is unethical to collect from someone that you cannot help especially someone that is about to lose their home. Just my two cents.

Managing Prime

2960 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:43:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by ForeSolution



Because the LOs are alway hungry for more. They will not settle for 100ish per sale when they know they can make much more. It is all about the commission or should I say benjamins rather than looking for the best interest of the thousand and thousands of desperate people in desperate situations.

I believe that every loan mod company should have a full refundable fee if they cannot accomplish a modification. It is unethical to collect from someone that you cannot help especially someone that is about to lose their home. Just my two cents.




I don't think that's necessarily true. I have clients that work hundreds of leads per month that my company generates for them. They all know that they majority of the leads are in some situation that keeps them from refinancing. My clients would like to just send the Loan Mod candidates off somewhere and collect a small fee. They don't want to get documents signed, collect documents, collect fees, etc. They just want to know the basics in regards to loan mod qualifications and if they have a lead that would possibly benefit from a mod ask the homeowner if they would like to be contacted by a loan modification specialist and if so fill out a quick form and forget about it.
Managing Prime

2960 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:45:37 PM
I agree on the refund bit. Maybe not a full refund as they do have salary staff in most cases...but at least the majority of the fee should be refunded.
ForeSolution

10 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  5:57:48 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

quote:
Originally posted by ForeSolution



Because the LOs are alway hungry for more. They will not settle for 100ish per sale when they know they can make much more. It is all about the commission or should I say benjamins rather than looking for the best interest of the thousand and thousands of desperate people in desperate situations.

I believe that every loan mod company should have a full refundable fee if they cannot accomplish a modification. It is unethical to collect from someone that you cannot help especially someone that is about to lose their home. Just my two cents.




I don't think that's necessarily true. I have clients that work hundreds of leads per month that my company generates for them. They all know that they majority of the leads are in some situation that keeps them from refinancing. My clients would like to just send the Loan Mod candidates off somewhere and collect a small fee. They don't want to get documents signed, collect documents, collect fees, etc. They just want to know the basics in regards to loan mod qualifications and if they have a lead that would possibly benefit from a mod ask the homeowner if they would like to be contacted by a loan modification specialist and if so fill out a quick form and forget about it.



Maybe or maybe not but so far, from the LOs I have spoken to, most if not all have shown interest in learning the loan mod processing system to make a quick buck. In my opinion, this shouldn't be treated as the new Refinance Boom but more towards helping people get back on their feet. It will also help our market by slowing down the bleeding that has been going on for the past two years. If a service is provided, then I believe a fee (reasonable fee) should be collected, but it shouldn't be the reason why we do this.

Again, I strongly feel a full refund should be provided back to the client if the service is not fullfilled. It is the loan mod company's duty to make sure the file will modify. I know each lender treats each file differently but if the numbers make sense (w/hardship), there shouldn't be any problem modifying the loan. This will also increase the mod company's success ratio, which will benefit in the long run.
courtneyyounghan

79 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2008 :  9:01:58 PM
Not to blow their whistle but again Courtney at NFI who I have used with success has a simple form for lo's/brokers to fill out. She will even take the time to explain and review files to see if they are able to be assisted. They do charge a negotiation fee and offer affiliates a minimum 50% refund if they cannot negotiate some type of repayment plan.
Again channon@nfihelp. I currently use them and have heard nothing but praise from my clients.
Kevin@AMA

1 Posts

Posted - 07/31/2008 :  6:48:03 PM
You should never deal with a company that does not guarantee 100% money back in writing, when doing a loan mod in the event that a mod cannot be done. American Modification Agency is the largest modification company in the country, works in all 50 states as well as Puertorico. We too have a referral base program, and offer $250 per referral who retains our services. Feel free to contact me direct at (877) 262-3911 x 2170.
samurai

2351 Posts

Posted - 07/31/2008 :  7:08:59 PM
Courtney,

Are you in any way connected with NFI?
courtneyyounghan

79 Posts

Posted - 07/31/2008 :  8:47:02 PM
Being a licensed real estate agent for Century 21 in both AZ and CA has allowed me to utilize their services. I am one of their largest affiliates and based on volume submitted I may receive compensation for refferals provided. So I guess in a way you could say yes I am. But in all seriousness they are outstanding. One of my referalls in AZ just rec'd a 2% fixed loan with Countrywide.
samurai

2351 Posts

Posted - 08/01/2008 :  04:07:02 AM
So you are not related to Will Younghans? How do you receive referral fees if people contact the company directly?
samurai

2351 Posts

Posted - 08/01/2008 :  05:04:37 AM
quote:
You should never deal with a company that does not guarantee 100% money back in writing, when doing a loan mod in the event that a mod cannot be done. American Modification Agency is the largest modification company in the country, works in all 50 states as well as Puertorico. We too have a referral base program, and offer $250 per referral who retains our services. Feel free to contact me direct at (877) 262-3911 x 2170.


It is easy to offer a refund when you price that in to your fee structure. For example instead of charging $1500 for a mod I can charge $3000 and offer full refunds. Even if I refund 40% of the fees, I will still be ahead.
CapitalMortGroup

63 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2008 :  10:57:03 AM
We work with New Life Lending, so far so good. Ron Quintero's company outsources their attorney work and who knows about being in compliance with the new FL laws.
samurai

2351 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2008 :  12:24:59 PM
Mona, how can these results be verified? I do direct mail and get a 3% response but I am lucky to close 10% with upfront payment.
MonaB

4 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2008 :  12:29:21 PM
The results are verified with the toll free number tracking online. It not only keeps records of all the calls but records them. If I get you over 800 call with only 20,000 mailers you should be able to close at least 80 of them or you have no business in the mortgage industry.
mudshark

3919 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2008 :  2:47:20 PM
We are a full service modification firm. We are fully attorney backed and compliant. We do not charge sign up fees. We are staying ahead of the curve on our services and put you on as a net branch under us.
mudshark

3919 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2008 :  10:44:55 PM
You're still on that over a 7-1/2 year old thing. I am doing nothing wrong. I am recruiting net branches, not selling loan mods. I don't need a license for that. If you're that concerned about my license, then feel free to pay the fines that I contested and I'll be more than glad to get it back. Have you bothered to check the company out or the opportunity, I doubt it. It seems that you like to go off on people with little or no knowledge of what it is they are about or much less what you are talking about.

...and BTW...no offense meant.
mudshark

3919 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  08:13:57 AM
Once again. The license thing is a PERSONAL matter. Do some research on the company and you will see a completely professional background throughout. I do not have any need to publicly disclose the circumstances of an old street fight. I have been around for a long time and helped to build this site.

Until now I have stayed away from the back biting and drama and instead used it for its intention, to build business. You could have contacted me at any time and I would have given you a civilized answer, but you instead you chose an open and malicious attack to promote yourself.

Yes, this is public information you are using, but look up the term "slander" and speak with an attorney.
MortgageBoarder

6494 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  11:51:24 AM
Mark why not just say your license was revoked for a mistake you made a long time ago, instead of lying and saying it was "revoked" for not completing your continued education in the first place?

You are in a position of having people trust their business and their clients with you, so I would think the least you can do is be honest when a simple question is asked.

Sh*t happens, but the truth shall set you free. Now you are left to back peddle, can't be much fun!

And as for your reference of Slander I think you meant Libel, slander is a spoken defamation while Libel is written... and Libel would not be in place for someone asking questions regarding your DRE license status?
mudshark

3919 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  12:13:26 PM
This was on a deal almost ten years ago when the buyer tried to double escrow the property. I fought that for almost 2 years. I was on the real estate side, and had nothing to do with the loan. I would not pay the fines and was in wholesale by that time and had no need for a license. I have always either referred or gave out any leads to the people I do business with rather than get involved in any unlicensed activity.
morsolo

281 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  3:09:39 PM
Mark why not just say your license was revoked for a mistake you made a long time ago, instead of lying and saying it was "revoked" for not completing your continued education in the first place?

You are in a position of having people trust their business and their clients with you, so I would think the least you can do is be honest when a simple question is asked.

Sh*t happens, but the truth shall set you free. Now you are left to back peddle, can't be much fun!


TO:HFM,
You have a point. The best you can is report it to your DRE
and see what will the DRE will do. How about his company, are they aware of this?
In Illinois, if you committed crime,fraud,criminal,felony,etc. they will not renew your license either with Real Estate or Loan Officer.

Loan modification Services here in Illinois is not cover by Illinois Dept. of Professional Regulation. It is just a regular entiity like consulting business but if they are licensed mortgage or real estate broker, they can include that in their business to bypass the upfront fee. Remember, in Illinois, the Attorney,Mortgage and real estate broker licensee are the only one who can accept unfront fee even it is NOD.They are exempt from property distress consultant ruling.
MortgageBoarder

6494 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  4:08:58 PM
Hmm...
n/a

4 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2008 :  8:49:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by kwinters

quote:
Originally posted by 148724

Beware Ron Quintero and anything he is affiliated with, including American Mortgage Modification, Debt Awareness Alliance, and several hundred others. His administrateive assistant does not return E-mails or phone calls, does not post events in a timely manner, with sufficient info to actually join in, so let's assume it is a scam. The vast team of attorneys he works with is one company, in California.

Save your $$.



Bud..you have one post. Thanks for the warning...but. 1 post?
what does that have to do with anything if she is stating a fact based on her experience?>

MikeCitron

1 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2008 :  3:26:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mariasecor

quote:
Originally posted by kwinters

quote:
Originally posted by 148724

Beware Ron Quintero and anything he is affiliated with, including American Mortgage Modification, Debt Awareness Alliance, and several hundred others. His administrateive assistant does not return E-mails or phone calls, does not post events in a timely manner, with sufficient info to actually join in, so let's assume it is a scam. The vast team of attorneys he works with is one company, in California.

Save your $$.



Bud..you have one post. Thanks for the warning...but. 1 post?
what does that have to do with anything if she is stating a fact based on her experience?>






Maria,

You should be well aware by now your futile efforts to tarnish my reputation will not go with impunity. A suit will be filed within the next 48 hours naming you as a defendant, along with any additional parties that assisted in the furthering of this misinformation. Obviously you have not properly researched or finished the information provided for your modification training. If you did, you would be well aware of the timeliness and expected response times for lender decision on the modification process. Further training and education on your part is certainly needed however, much of your immediate schedule will most likely be interrupted with legal proceedings. Your actions, misrepresentations, willful negligence, assumptions and due to the fact that you not only spoke – but put to print these unfounded allegations, additional cause of action for libel and slander will also be included in the suit that is being drafted by my team of attorneys.

In addition to the misrepresentations to the parties that you have conversed, it’s evident that you were most likely deficient in your fiduciary duties to the aforementioned clients that you “assisted”. Undoubtedly from your now evidenced lack of knowledge of this arena, your clients have cause of action against you for malpractice. This malpractice will not go unnoticed, ample policies and procedures were provided as part of your training course- if you chose to practice without knowledge you certainly provided a disservice to your clients.

Additionally your clients have multiple ancillary causes of action for posting their personal information on a public website while slandering me. Clients private information must always be protected, especially sensitive information that reveals their current negative financial situations. You have violated federal privacy policies including but not limited to the GLB act. If your accusations were in fact valid, you certainly would not need to include the clients specific names in a public website environment. This flagrant disregard of client sensitive data will also be evidenced and included in all reporting that is necessary. Your clients should be aware of your blatant mishandling of their data and incompetency on their files.

As you are well aware, I am not, have not, and never claimed to be an owner, officer, employee of American Mortgage Modification, or Debt Advisory Alliance. My involvement in Debt Advisory Alliance is clearly, conspicuously and properly represented as a paid speaker/trainer, Debt Advisory Alliance is one of the various national private companies that I contract with. Your continued suspicions and investigation of my involvement can be analogized to a witch hunt. Further to your ignorance of perpetuating these ridiculous accusations, you have continued your actions after knowingly providing false information. Your lies and misrepresentations will be exposed!

In response to the e-mail below, I have and will voluntarily respond directly to any party of interest-

Your focus should be on helping clients- which should start by proper education and training, not trying to cover up your inadequacies in current business by slandering others!

Expect prompt notice of service once suit is filed this week-

Govern yourself accordingly,

Michael
velecico

5309 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2008 :  5:02:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalMortGroup

I met this company at the NAMB convention in Fl and they seemed to be well informed with a good marketing system in place. Does any one have any experience with them working on loan modifications?

www.ForeclosureAvoidanceNetwork.com

Initial broker setup fee is $2995 + $395.mo.

They charge $3500 to the borrower for a loan modification regardless of loan size, $2k to the broker.



set up fees are a rip off , think about it did you ever pay a fee to do wholesale ?

I am looking to team up with a reputable load modification firm.

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

velecico

5309 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2008 :  5:04:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by rayggar

Is anybody here doing serious loan mod volume?




I know of a company that took 911 mods last month
velecico

5309 Posts

Posted - 12/10/2008 :  5:07:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by courtneyyounghans

Being a licensed real estate agent for Century 21 in both AZ and CA has allowed me to utilize their services. I am one of their largest affiliates and based on volume submitted I may receive compensation for refferals provided. So I guess in a way you could say yes I am. But in all seriousness they are outstanding. One of my referalls in AZ just rec'd a 2% fixed loan with Countrywide.




Provide proof
velecico

5309 Posts

Posted - 12/17/2008 :  06:47:33 AM
Once again. The license thing is a PERSONAL matter. Do some research on the company and you will see a completely professional background throughout. I do not have any need to publicly disclose the circumstances of an old street figh
velecico

5309 Posts

Posted - 12/22/2008 :  08:32:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by MikeCitron

quote:
Originally posted by mariasecor

quote:
Originally posted by kwinters

quote:
Originally posted by 148724

Beware Ron Quintero and anything he is affiliated with, including American Mortgage Modification, Debt Awareness Alliance, and several hundred others. His administrateive assistant does not return E-mails or phone calls, does not post events in a timely manner, with sufficient info to actually join in, so let's assume it is a scam. The vast team of attorneys he works with is one company, in California.

Save your $$.



Bud..you have one post. Thanks for the warning...but. 1 post?
what does that have to do with anything if she is stating a fact based on her experience?>






Maria,

You should be well aware by now your futile efforts to tarnish my reputation will not go with impunity. A suit will be filed within the next 48 hours naming you as a defendant, along with any additional parties that assisted in the furthering of this misinformation. Obviously you have not properly researched or finished the information provided for your modification training. If you did, you would be well aware of the timeliness and expected response times for lender decision on the modification process. Further training and education on your part is certainly needed however, much of your immediate schedule will most likely be interrupted with legal proceedings. Your actions, misrepresentations, willful negligence, assumptions and due to the fact that you not only spoke – but put to print these unfounded allegations, additional cause of action for libel and slander will also be included in the suit that is being drafted by my team of attorneys.

In addition to the misrepresentations to the parties that you have conversed, it’s evident that you were most likely deficient in your fiduciary duties to the aforementioned clients that you “assisted”. Undoubtedly from your now evidenced lack of knowledge of this arena, your clients have cause of action against you for malpractice. This malpractice will not go unnoticed, ample policies and procedures were provided as part of your training course- if you chose to practice without knowledge you certainly provided a disservice to your clients.

Additionally your clients have multiple ancillary causes of action for posting their personal information on a public website while slandering me. Clients private information must always be protected, especially sensitive information that reveals their current negative financial situations. You have violated federal privacy policies including but not limited to the GLB act. If your accusations were in fact valid, you certainly would not need to include the clients specific names in a public website environment. This flagrant disregard of client sensitive data will also be evidenced and included in all reporting that is necessary. Your clients should be aware of your blatant mishandling of their data and incompetency on their files.

As you are well aware, I am not, have not, and never claimed to be an owner, officer, employee of American Mortgage Modification, or Debt Advisory Alliance. My involvement in Debt Advisory Alliance is clearly, conspicuously and properly represented as a paid speaker/trainer, Debt Advisory Alliance is one of the various national private companies that I contract with. Your continued suspicions and investigation of my involvement can be analogized to a witch hunt. Further to your ignorance of perpetuating these ridiculous accusations, you have continued your actions after knowingly providing false information. Your lies and misrepresentations will be exposed!

In response to the e-mail below, I have and will voluntarily respond directly to any party of interest-

Your focus should be on helping clients- which should start by proper education and training, not trying to cover up your inadequacies in current business by slandering others!

Expect prompt notice of service once suit is filed this week-

Govern yourself accordingly,

Michael






Mike ,


I for one agree with her that its a scam to charge an " affiliation fee " , only stupid people like Maria would pay for something they can get for free , so what do you expect when you deal with stupid people ?

Good luck on your lawsuit , from a realturd doing loan mods you should get all but .99 cents from her bank account
OptionNext

41 Posts

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