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edunn

103 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2008 :  9:49:37 PM
I posted about this on another thread, but I really think it deserves it's own.

NOBODY has ever accused the banks of charging too much. The discount/Fed Funds rate is at 2%, and WHAT are the rates today even after re-pricing? 6.50%? Isn't that that what the the banks are making one of these loans? Don't get me started on their SRP either. Everybody- i.e fat ***tard Frank and his merry gang of thievesa and the media are slamming the YSP isue like it's a bad thing.

Sorry guys, but I am getting so sick of the finger pointing and them singeling us o.out, as I am *assuming** you are to
waynepbright

3564 Posts

Posted - 07/23/2008 :  9:57:39 PM

I totally agree which you edunn, it's sick ...
donniejl

42 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  05:52:14 AM
The large banks want us out of the business. I do not hear or see any strong arguments/rebuttals from the NAMB. It is simple as this. If the Fed controls the banks, it rolls down hill to us. If the Fed limits Points, YSP, Documentation, or whatever they want to do, those controls trickle down to us. Seems like the Government wants Poop to run up hill?
velecico

3271 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  06:14:21 AM
I thought the secondary market for MBSs set the rate based on investors appetite for such investment , which at this time , is probably low and preceived as risky , thus the high spread
chmax7

414 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  06:27:20 AM
Is there any website out there that will give us the spread in terms 10 year yield vs. MBS. I know someone in the past mentioned Bloombergs box or something like that but the cost is about $1500 per month. Anything else?
CoolMtgGuy

2028 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  06:35:20 AM
Exactly ...

Those blaming everything else for the current level of rates clearly do not understand, or take time to educate themselves about, the way that the money market works.

I do not think that rate levels is the key challenge we have as mortgage originators right now. I believe it is the fact that lenders (banks), government and consumers all want 3rd-party originators out of the business and a return to the simplicity (albeit more costly and limited) model of going down to your local bank and applying for a mortgage.

Our industry thrived on niche products and borrowers. The latter still exist but the former has pretty much disappeared. Until that changes, our industry is headed in one direction only.

quote:
Originally posted by velecico

I thought the secondary market for MBSs set the rate based on investors appetite for such investment , which at this time , is probably low and preceived as risky , thus the high spread

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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:06:38 AM
In Australia the spread is vegemite.
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CoralSnake

10320 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:26:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by clarenceworley

In Australia the spread is vegemite.

I hade to google that:

Vegemite (/#712;ved#658;#618;m¨»#618;t/) is a dark brown savoury food paste made from yeast extract, used mainly as a spread on sandwiches, toast and cracker biscuits, as well as a filling of pastries like Cheesymite scroll, in Australia and New Zealand. It is similar to British and New Zealand Marmite (in texture and appearance but not flavour) and to Swiss Cenovis.

Vegemite is made from leftover brewers' yeast extract, a by-product of beer manufacturing, and various vegetable and spice additives. The taste may be described as salty, slightly bitter, and malty - somewhat similar to the taste of beef bouillon. The texture is smooth and sticky, much like peanut butter. It is not as intensely flavoured as Marmite and it is less sweet than the New Zealand version of Marmite.

Vegemite is popular with many Australians and New Zealanders, who commonly consider it a national food and a cultural icon.[1] It can be found in shops around the world, particularly where there are large populations of Australian expatriates. Vegemite has not been successfully marketed in other countries, apart from New Zealand, and has failed to catch on in the United States, despite being owned by US food company Kraft Foods. When seen in the United States, the Vegemite label often does not contain the Kraft logo.

nw@8brook

78 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:28:23 AM
banks especially wants mortgage brokers out of business for good. My regional bank use tellers, customer service rep to take mortgage apps., yes, you wait 30 days to process and 60 days to close. But if everybody else is like that, what are you(as a consumer) complaining about?

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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:32:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by CoralSnake

quote:
Originally posted by clarenceworley

In Australia the spread is vegemite.

I hade to google that:

Vegemite (/#712;ved#658;#618;m¨»#618;t/) is a dark brown savoury food paste made from yeast extract, used mainly as a spread on sandwiches, toast and cracker biscuits, as well as a filling of pastries like Cheesymite scroll, in Australia and New Zealand. It is similar to British and New Zealand Marmite (in texture and appearance but not flavour) and to Swiss Cenovis.

Vegemite is made from leftover brewers' yeast extract, a by-product of beer manufacturing, and various vegetable and spice additives. The taste may be described as salty, slightly bitter, and malty - somewhat similar to the taste of beef bouillon. The texture is smooth and sticky, much like peanut butter. It is not as intensely flavoured as Marmite and it is less sweet than the New Zealand version of Marmite.

Vegemite is popular with many Australians and New Zealanders, who commonly consider it a national food and a cultural icon.[1] It can be found in shops around the world, particularly where there are large populations of Australian expatriates. Vegemite has not been successfully marketed in other countries, apart from New Zealand, and has failed to catch on in the United States, despite being owned by US food company Kraft Foods. When seen in the United States, the Vegemite label often does not contain the Kraft logo.




It's an acquired taste. Men At Work featured it on their one hit wonder of a song "I come from land down under"
Vegemite is as relevant to bank mortgage spreads as anything else posted thus far.
CoolMtgGuy

2028 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:35:21 AM
Good response. My wife likes vegemite spread ... but I prefer ginger preserves.

Just like mortgages. Something for everyone ... or it used to be that way anyway. Variety brought so much vitality to the housing and mortgage industry. Now it is so limited. The pendulum has swung soo far, so fast that it is dizzying. Now everying is using the same boring "spread" ... margarine.

quote:
Originally posted by clarenceworley

In Australia the spread is vegemite.

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liverichly

3674 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  08:45:22 AM
If you want to watch something funny regarding Vegemite and a "Vegemite Spoon".... check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=nF-D0lueIXQ (copy & paste)
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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  09:06:09 AM
Marmite is not good at all, on the other hand. Too strong a taste.
acibella

616 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  09:08:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by edunn

I posted about this on another thread, but I really think it deserves it's own.

NOBODY has ever accused the banks of charging too much. The discount/Fed Funds rate is at 2%, and WHAT are the rates today even after re-pricing? 6.50%? Isn't that that what the the banks are making one of these loans? Don't get me started on their SRP either. Everybody- i.e fat ***tard Frank and his merry gang of thievesa and the media are slamming the YSP isue like it's a bad thing.

Sorry guys, but I am getting so sick of the finger pointing and them singeling us o.out, as I am *assuming** you are to




Elisabeth, don't take this post as inflamatory, but the Fed funds rate has absolutely nothing to do with mortgage rates. The Fed Funds rate is the rate banks lend to EACHOTHER (not from the Fed), overnight to meet their regulatory reserve requirements. Each bank is required to have a specific amount of reserves and if they are short they can borrow overnight from another bank with a surplus. The rate of interest they pay is the Fed Funds rate.

Mortgages once originated are sold to Fannie or Freddie, who package them as an investment and sell them on the secondary market. The movement of this market is where we get our interest rates. If you attempted to lend long (30 years) and borrow short (overnight) you'd be out of business in a week. This is a much much more complex subject than what is listed here. Search google or the forum for mortgage backed securities. It'll help you understand where our money is coming from. I understand your gripe as brokers have been slammed A LOT in this crisis. But you are completely misdirected in the source of your argument on this one.

AC
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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  09:16:43 AM
Thus the vegemite and marmite discussions. World used the COFI index plus amargin, which is relevant only if the lender completely portfolios.
donniejl

42 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  09:22:25 AM
Future rates are going to depend on the Chinese and the Middle East. Let us hope they have the stomach to stay with mortgage back securities cause if they pull out we will see high inflation and rates.
mrwiizrd

32 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  09:48:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by acibella

quote:
Originally posted by edunn

I posted about this on another thread, but I really think it deserves it's own.

NOBODY has ever accused the banks of charging too much. The discount/Fed Funds rate is at 2%, and WHAT are the rates today even after re-pricing? 6.50%? Isn't that that what the the banks are making one of these loans? Don't get me started on their SRP either. Everybody- i.e fat ***tard Frank and his merry gang of thievesa and the media are slamming the YSP isue like it's a bad thing.

Sorry guys, but I am getting so sick of the finger pointing and them singeling us o.out, as I am *assuming** you are to




Elisabeth, don't take this post as inflamatory, but the Fed funds rate has absolutely nothing to do with mortgage rates. The Fed Funds rate is the rate banks lend to EACHOTHER (not from the Fed), overnight to meet their regulatory reserve requirements. Each bank is required to have a specific amount of reserves and if they are short they can borrow overnight from another bank with a surplus. The rate of interest they pay is the Fed Funds rate.

Mortgages once originated are sold to Fannie or Freddie, who package them as an investment and sell them on the secondary market. The movement of this market is where we get our interest rates. If you attempted to lend long (30 years) and borrow short (overnight) you'd be out of business in a week. This is a much much more complex subject than what is listed here. Search google or the forum for mortgage backed securities. It'll help you understand where our money is coming from. I understand your gripe as brokers have been slammed A LOT in this crisis. But you are completely misdirected in the source of your argument on this one.

AC



I agree with what you wrote, and I think the OP's point got lost in the common Fed Fund's Rate vs. MBS misconception. That being said, I think the spirit of the OP's point was "why do broker's get so much grief for YSP when the interest rates offered by retail banks are usually significantly higher than the wholesale rates + YSP offered by brokers."
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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  10:10:27 AM
I think the OP inadvertantly answered her own question.
mojojojo_1

674 Posts

Posted - 07/24/2008 :  10:43:47 AM
i think one of the diff overlooked is that retail has set standards of what they charge per customer, no changes fees per person.

at least thats what law makers must think. each bank has a lo department charging what they can and are willing to lower fees for those who negotaite. pretty much what we do, except for more myself, i provide a lot more customer service :)
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clarenceworley

3860 Posts

Posted - 07/25/2008 :  06:52:55 AM
Part of a mortgage broker licensing requirement should be to read Matt Graham's blog.
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