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nasdaq456

162 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  09:34:37 AM
IS ANYONE MAKING MONEY HERE?????????
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LarryM

70 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  09:46:46 AM
I'm as busy as I ever have been. Yesterday took an app on an FHA debt consolidation refi, took the next step with a Reverse Mortgage client, I'm 2 days into the Right of Recision with another refi that will then be used to purchase a 2nd home, signed a client up for Financial Destinations (www.MorrisEquityGroup.com) and have a bunch of stuff I need to work on. Most of my business has come from hits to my website, although some is from Realtor referrals and leads.
lukyk22

1700 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  09:51:59 AM
oh no
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darkstar

18293 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:00:41 AM
Best year ever 2nd year in a row so far!
jeff4567

1538 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:03:43 AM
I hear you on the graveyard reference. It seems like 90% of the people I knew in this business have moved on to something else. Of course everyone that has moved on was just riding the wave. They never took the time to build their own long term referral sources. Having a solid referral base will keep me and others in the game as long as the game is there to play. I just hope the wholesale market doesn't completely dry up and I am forced to become a retail jackhole.
cspatmon

2142 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:10:15 AM
I'm fine in Michigan......
jeff4567

1538 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:12:49 AM
I'm fine as well here in PA. It isn't a lack of customers that I fear, it is a lack of wholesale lenders and programs that I fear.
RobStorm

503 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:14:45 AM
Good here in Georgia.
RANDY P

2828 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:54:30 AM
excellent up till now. hurt in July. Every July hurts tho.

rjp
TimmyZ1

695 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:55:33 AM
Multi state here, good in NM TN and MD, have yet to try out Oregon (company only got licensed last month) and slow of course in FL
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lordbyroniv

193 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  11:46:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by RANDY P

excellent up till now. hurt in July. Every July hurts tho.

rjp



yes july ALWAYS s*c*s

august too
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LarryM

70 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  11:50:58 AM
July's and August's have usually been some of my busiest months. But we have miserable spring's here.
dtabar

768 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  11:52:40 AM
my april-june usually s*c*s...

but as for the money reference, yes people are still making money.
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bestbet123

1577 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  11:53:49 AM
bro aren't you the one who got killed on that 26 page thread?Your a closer...remember?Go get em.If you build it they will come.there will always be lenders,just not as many as before.Life throws you lemons you make lemonade.Or in our case...FHA,loan mods,loss mit,reo's...what ever you can.Keep the faith.
jb060310

329 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  12:03:04 PM
My reverse business is really starting to flow...Got a few closed, a bunch of deals in process, beating the streets 2 days a week and hitting phones 3 days. I have only been doing this since May, and July and August both look great, along with some slower moving folks who will end up closing down the road. I have been to a bunch of old shops from my AE days letting them know what I am doing, everyone seems positive and seems to have picked a niche and really focused on developing that niche (USDA, first time buyers, construction, etc.). Things are good, so far!!
Agent_Mike

375 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  3:07:41 PM
Many people mentioned that those who took the time to built the business instead of riding the equity wave are in a position to do well. I agree.

The real question ought to be - is it too late for those who rode the wave to start learning and building?

Depends ... if you're a single income family or not too well versed, then this job and the unpredictability might not make sense for you.

If you're a younger person in a position to take the hits and keep on going, then you'd be fine.

I don't think it's ever late to start learning and building. You know what they say ... when you're made in a boom you go out in a bust, but when you're made in the bust, you end up in a boom.
BMONEY

299 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  3:41:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Agent_Mike

Many people mentioned that those who took the time to built the business instead of riding the equity wave are in a position to do well. I agree.

The real question ought to be - is it too late for those who rode the wave to start learning and building?

Depends ... if you're a single income family or not too well versed, then this job and the unpredictability might not make sense for you.

If you're a younger person in a position to take the hits and keep on going, then you'd be fine.

I don't think it's ever late to start learning and building. You know what they say ... when you're made in a boom you go out in a bust, but when you're made in the bust, you end up in a boom.



Very well put Mike
katbunk

2172 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  3:47:19 PM
How long will it be before this thread gets ugly.
Agent_Mike

375 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  3:53:55 PM
quote:
Originally posted by katbunk

How long will it be before this thread gets ugly.



I think your post was the pre-cursor ...
katbunk

2172 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  3:56:44 PM
threads like this never stay civil for very long :-)
PinnaclePeters

1113 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  4:36:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jeff4567

I'm fine as well here in PA. It isn't a lack of customers that I fear, it is a lack of wholesale lenders and programs that I fear.



Times have changed.

For years we'd been scrambling for dibs on the borrowers, 'cuz we knew we'd be able to get them something, somewhere. There was a hole for every peg, no matter what shape it turned into.

Now there are fewer holes. And they're all pretty standard in size and shape.

That means you gotta look for borrowers to fit the programs, not programs to fit the borrowers.

Target your marketing efforts to hit those that fit the products you do have.

Go after the small Mom & Pop retail grocery store owners and refinance them with a little cash-out shot-in-the-arm into a 30 year fixed rate product.

Go after the apartment owners - especially those ones that are holding the small multi-unit properties in the family trust for retirement income. 30 year fixed - perfect.

Go after the Bar owners. Or the Restaurant owners. Or the Florists. Or the Chiropractors, Dentists, Accupuncturist... whatever!!!

They even post their phone numbers right there in the yellow pages for you! AND they answer their phone when you call! No "do-not-call" list to worry about. And they LOVE to talk shop about their "baby"!

So get out of the graveyard, go fix your hair, wash your face and get back to work!!!

Here's what my boss sent us this morning...

"Don't just stand there, make it happen." - Lee Iacocca

If you aren't aware of Lee's story you really should read his book, "Iacocca: An Autobiography". It is an amazing story and a story of persistence and drive. Iacocca was the creator of the Ford Mustang - and all said it would fail, be a total flop. Guess he proved them wrong on that one. He lead Ford for a while and then was kicked out, went to Chrysler, rebuilt it (despite all against him) and then left there. He also played the biggest role in restoring the Statute of Liberty - again despite all odds and people against him. An incredible story and one that we can use today.

Let's break down "Make It Happen".

Make - this is an action verb. Always has been, always will be. There is no passiveness implied or explicit in the word Make. Make is to bring into existence, produce, cause to happen, or cause to become. It doesn't allow for winds of change, trials and tribulations to get in the way. It is not a past tense verb nor a future tense, maybe one day verb. It is a now verb - an action verb - a continual act of producing, bringing into existence, causing to become.

It - it is, of course, a pronoun. But that pronoun can be huge in each of our lives. It can represent a relationship (personal or business) that you are pursuing. It can represent a new car, house, or boat. It can represent a promotion, new job, or new career. It can represent financial freedom and independence. Bottom line, IT is what is important for you.

Happen - come to pass, occur. The result of your efforts - good or bad. Happen is the end result of your efforts, your making. Happen may not always be the result you expected (it often is far better than expected if you do the first 2 parts of the sentence right) but it will occur. One way or another there will be a result.

Make It Happen - the action of bringing your It to a positive result. I don’t use this phrase lightly and I chose it carefully because every word is key. All that we want, all that we desire, all that we hope for, will ONLY occur if we make it happen. Do we want to be subject to the whims of others? Do we want to be ships floating loose on a sea with no destination and just take what comes our way? Do we want to surrender our goals, our beliefs, our IT to others?

I choose NO. I have to win. It is that simple, yet it is the overriding desire of my existence. To win - in whatever form or part of life that means to you personally - is all that counts. Failing - at home, at work, in love, in life - is NOT an option. So I choose to Make It Happen and not just let it happen whenever it feels like happening or taking whatever life just throws at me.

You must do the same. You must rise above all that is occurring around you and Make It Happen. Decide today what your IT is right now. Draw a picture of it, print off a representation of it, or write it out but do it today and post it on your cubicle. And then Make It Happen!!
"

ritabradley01

3228 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  4:41:28 PM
I like the sound of that. I wouldn't have lasted 2 days during the boom-it was too crazy. I'm hoping to build something solid here, and not just in terms of money.

quote:
Originally posted by Agent_Mike

Many people mentioned that those who took the time to built the business instead of riding the equity wave are in a position to do well. I agree.

The real question ought to be - is it too late for those who rode the wave to start learning and building?

Depends ... if you're a single income family or not too well versed, then this job and the unpredictability might not make sense for you.

If you're a younger person in a position to take the hits and keep on going, then you'd be fine.

I don't think it's ever late to start learning and building. You know what they say ... when you're made in a boom you go out in a bust, but when you're made in the bust, you end up in a boom.

skyminor

116 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  4:43:04 PM
People will always need a place to live.

And they will always need a way to pay for it.

-My millionaire broker cousin, Dana in a quote to me upon entering the biz in 2003.
ritabradley01

3228 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  4:50:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PinnaclePeters

quote:
Originally posted by jeff4567

I'm fine as well here in PA. It isn't a lack of customers that I fear, it is a lack of wholesale lenders and programs that I fear.



Times have changed.

For years we'd been scrambling for dibs on the borrowers, 'cuz we knew we'd be able to get them something, somewhere. There was a hole for every peg, no matter what shape it turned into.

Now there are fewer holes. And they're all pretty standard in size and shape.

That means you gotta look for borrowers to fit the programs, not programs to fit the borrowers.

Target your marketing efforts to hit those that fit the products you do have.

Go after the small Mom & Pop retail grocery store owners and refinance them with a little cash-out shot-in-the-arm into a 30 year fixed rate product.

Go after the apartment owners - especially those ones that are holding the small multi-unit properties in the family trust for retirement income. 30 year fixed - perfect.

Go after the Bar owners. Or the Restaurant owners. Or the Florists. Or the Chiropractors, Dentists, Accupuncturist... whatever!!!

They even post their phone numbers right there in the yellow pages for you! AND they answer their phone when you call! No "do-not-call" list to worry about. And they LOVE to talk shop about their "baby"!

So get out of the graveyard, go fix your hair, wash your face and get back to work!!!

Here's what my boss sent us this morning...

"Don't just stand there, make it happen." - Lee Iacocca

If you aren't aware of Lee's story you really should read his book, "Iacocca: An Autobiography". It is an amazing story and a story of persistence and drive. Iacocca was the creator of the Ford Mustang - and all said it would fail, be a total flop. Guess he proved them wrong on that one. He lead Ford for a while and then was kicked out, went to Chrysler, rebuilt it (despite all against him) and then left there. He also played the biggest role in restoring the Statute of Liberty - again despite all odds and people against him. An incredible story and one that we can use today.

Let's break down "Make It Happen".

Make - this is an action verb. Always has been, always will be. There is no passiveness implied or explicit in the word Make. Make is to bring into existence, produce, cause to happen, or cause to become. It doesn't allow for winds of change, trials and tribulations to get in the way. It is not a past tense verb nor a future tense, maybe one day verb. It is a now verb - an action verb - a continual act of producing, bringing into existence, causing to become.

It - it is, of course, a pronoun. But that pronoun can be huge in each of our lives. It can represent a relationship (personal or business) that you are pursuing. It can represent a new car, house, or boat. It can represent a promotion, new job, or new career. It can represent financial freedom and independence. Bottom line, IT is what is important for you.

Happen - come to pass, occur. The result of your efforts - good or bad. Happen is the end result of your efforts, your making. Happen may not always be the result you expected (it often is far better than expected if you do the first 2 parts of the sentence right) but it will occur. One way or another there will be a result.

Make It Happen - the action of bringing your It to a positive result. I don’t use this phrase lightly and I chose it carefully because every word is key. All that we want, all that we desire, all that we hope for, will ONLY occur if we make it happen. Do we want to be subject to the whims of others? Do we want to be ships floating loose on a sea with no destination and just take what comes our way? Do we want to surrender our goals, our beliefs, our IT to others?

I choose NO. I have to win. It is that simple, yet it is the overriding desire of my existence. To win - in whatever form or part of life that means to you personally - is all that counts. Failing - at home, at work, in love, in life - is NOT an option. So I choose to Make It Happen and not just let it happen whenever it feels like happening or taking whatever life just throws at me.

You must do the same. You must rise above all that is occurring around you and Make It Happen. Decide today what your IT is right now. Draw a picture of it, print off a representation of it, or write it out but do it today and post it on your cubicle. And then Make It Happen!!
"





that's awesome Peter-did you write that? I happen to be reading about Iacocca right now! Very interesting guy. He had some advantages when he was coming up but he also had some disadvantages and setbacks.
PinnaclePeters

1113 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  5:05:00 PM
Nope. Can't take credit.
My boss, Tim Smith, sent it out this morning.
The "thought of the day".
homebroker@sbcgl

3527 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2008 :  10:09:44 PM
Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.
PinnaclePeters

1113 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  05:32:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.



Where is Forest Lawn?
Is that the one that's in the dead center of town?
goodguy1

1654 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  06:48:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by PinnaclePeters

quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.



Where is Forest Lawn?
Is that the one that's in the dead center of town?



nice pun.
you hit it dead on ; )
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darkstar

18293 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  06:50:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.



It's easy, here's a how-to on making big money doing that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9nJ0rpAcqk
PinnaclePeters

1113 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  06:50:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.



Must be a nice cemetary.
Sounds like people are dying to get in...
homebroker@sbcgl

3527 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  08:38:22 AM
LOL, they even have premium lots, view lots, mosoleum, I hear the Yield to sales reps on Mosoleum space it very good, upgrade them to the cherrywood coffin with goose down padding and you have a trip to Hawaii coming.


quote:
Originally posted by PinnaclePeters

quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.



Must be a nice cemetary.
Sounds like people are dying to get in...

jtm7332

499 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  08:42:29 AM
Things are really good in Iowa. Last month was down but I will close 11 loans in the next couple of months. I have only been in the business for a little over a year now but my realtor referrals are picking up a lot.
EMScommercial

5138 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  09:14:30 AM
i want to state this....

there is a big difference in being busy - i.e. taking applications

and

making money

the question was - is anyone making any money here.... and i will throw my hand up and say 'nope'.....

we are struggling just like everyone else.....

we have moral victories because we have a dozen or so apps a week (average), but when there is no money out there to fund these apps.... what the heck can you do?

no cmbs means no money in the market to fund these deals!

then you add to the problem mentioned in this article about fannie and freddie on mostly the resi side..... ( http://www.local6.com/money/16851866/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2657889852813&tml=orlpn_12pm&tmi=orlpn_12pm_1_10550107112008&ts=H ) it spells a DARK time....

if the money comes back.... and we can weather this black hole that we are in right now..... i think we (anyone left) will be very thankful and happy with how it had turned..... if it continues on for years..... there will be a whole new group of mortgage professionals out there who will be working the clients because the rest of us will be forced to do something else for a living.....

heck, i'm being woo'ed back into the federal life (based on my background i get alot of inquiries at times from various agencies).... i don't want to have to do it, but i may just take what they are offering.... my wife may run the mortgages full time with me as an advisor.....

i know that reading me being negative may seem odd, but enough's enough.... and who are we to beat a dead horse when there is no savior to bring that horse back to life on the horizon..... month after month of this pounding our heads against the wall has to come to an end....

at least it's friday!
nasdaq456

162 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  09:43:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by EMScommercial

i want to state this....

there is a big difference in being busy - i.e. taking applications

and

making money

the question was - is anyone making any money here.... and i will throw my hand up and say 'nope'.....

we are struggling just like everyone else.....

we have moral victories because we have a dozen or so apps a week (average), but when there is no money out there to fund these apps.... what the heck can you do?

no cmbs means no money in the market to fund these deals!

then you add to the problem mentioned in this article about fannie and freddie on mostly the resi side..... ( http://www.local6.com/money/16851866/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tid=2657889852813&tml=orlpn_12pm&tmi=orlpn_12pm_1_10550107112008&ts=H ) it spells a DARK time....

if the money comes back.... and we can weather this black hole that we are in right now..... i think we (anyone left) will be very thankful and happy with how it had turned..... if it continues on for years..... there will be a whole new group of mortgage professionals out there who will be working the clients because the rest of us will be forced to do something else for a living.....

heck, i'm being woo'ed back into the federal life (based on my background i get alot of inquiries at times from various agencies).... i don't want to have to do it, but i may just take what they are offering.... my wife may run the mortgages full time with me as an advisor.....

i know that reading me being negative may seem odd, but enough's enough.... and who are we to beat a dead horse when there is no savior to bring that horse back to life on the horizon..... month after month of this pounding our heads against the wall has to come to an end....

at least it's friday!




These have been challenging times no doubt. Maybe that 300 Billion [that congress is debating] will flow towards us one day. Imho, congress needs to get their act together and allow us to refinance everyone into 100 year mortgages....the only thing that imo will solve this problem. All in all,...I am surprised your post seems to express my sentiments most succintly and everyone else either is confusing being busy with making $$$ or in a different market than I am. I have 2 50k puppies I am working on and if they close I am gold for the year....but all in all...this is a very different and challenging market.
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bestbet123

1577 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  09:52:26 AM
They could take away the 300 billion earmarked for the biggest waste of money ever and not go to mars or anywhere in space for that matter.Let's fix things on earth first then we can waste 300 billion on space exploration or cia slush fund , whatever that money is really for.
Agent_Mike

375 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  2:45:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by homebroker@sbcglobal.net

Speaking of Grave Yards I know of a former Loan Officer selling grave plots at Forest Lawn, over $7,000 a month after a few months of working there, HUMM... sounds morbid.




This is kind of sad. Aren't they essentially preying on people in their most vulnerable and weak state of mind just having lost someone?

Customer: Yes, my husband just died, I need to arrange a funeral.

Sales person: Well if your husband was important to you, we have these options .....or if you really loved your husband, we have these special plots ... with a view

later on in the day ...

Sales person to another sales person: Hey bro! I just got this old widow to blow 20 grand on goose downs and cherry wood coffins and another 50 grand on a plot with a view for her dead husband. a hu hu hu I'm going to hawaii bro high five.
Agent_Mike

375 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  2:49:17 PM
duplicate post.
financeone

1646 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2008 :  7:26:06 PM
You can bury someone in CA. for less than $2,000.
I've done it. My dad. Best darn service I've ever attended!!
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