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homer5
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Posted - 06/26/2008 : 4:18:59 PM
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The so called housing bailout bill overwhelmingly passed in the Senate. It isn't a homeowner bailout bill, it's a bank bailout bill. What's worse is the blatant corruption on the part of Chris Dodd, an author of the bill. He got a sweetheart deal from Countrywide for his personal mortgage under Cwide's "VIP" program. In return Dodd is serving up this sweetheart deal for lenders.
The long and the short of the deal is if banks agree to a 15% haircut on the loan the government program will allow the homeowner to refinance. If the refi'd loans go bad, the taxpayers pick up the tab which is anywhere from 300 billion to trillions.
What's worse, the banks have the incentive to pawn off their worst paper to the taxpayers. Normally the haircut banks would receive is in the 35-40% range. This as opposed to 15%, thus the sweetheart deal.
Call or email your Congress Criminal in opposition to this bill. Write a letter to the editor of your paper. Or you can sit back and bailout the banks and make your neighbor's mortgage payment.
From the National Review...
http://tinyurl.com/3pnwbu
Countrywide Corruption
By the Editors
The U.S. Senate is about to enact a massive subsidy for Countrywide Financial less than a week after revelations that the company’s “Friends of Angelo” sweetheart-loan program included two U.S. senators. It seems unthinkable, but it’s true. What’s worse? One of the two senators sponsored the bill.
The principal author of the Dodd-Shelby housing-bailout bill is Sen. Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, which has jurisdiction over the mortgage market. Last week, Portfolio magazine revealed that Dodd was one of two U.S. senators who benefited from a program under which Countrywide Financial gave loans at favorable terms to the influential and the powerful. The other senator was Kent Conrad, a Democrat from North Dakota.
The allegations against Conrad are damning enough. Though he denies having known he received preferential treatment, Conrad admitted to a Wall Street Journal reporter that he called Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo to ask for a loan on the advice of former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, another beneficiary of the program. (Johnson resigned from Barack Obama’s running-mate vetting team after his involvement in the program was revealed.)
But as powerful as Conrad is, the allegations against Dodd are more disturbing because he wields so much power over Countrywide’s fortunes and because he has used that power to benefit Countrywide. According to Portfolio’s calculations, the preferential loan rates Dodd received on two mortgages could end up saving him $75,000. (Like Conrad, Dodd denies knowing that he received preferential treatment.)
The troubling nature of this arrangement becomes clear when one looks at the fine print of the Dodd-Shelby housing bill. Under the bill, mortgage lenders — of which Countrywide is the largest in the U.S. — would agree to renegotiate their most troubled home loans in exchange for a federal guarantee on those loans. If the borrowers who took out those troubled loans end up defaulting, the government would cover any losses the mortgage lenders incur.
Under the Dodd-Shelby bill, a fee collected from the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would fund this program. The House version of the bill would fund the program with tax dollars. Either way, the program would be “a government buyout of problem mortgages disguised as a refinancing plan,” as David C. John of the Heritage Foundation puts it in his analysis.
Defenders of Dodd’s bill insist that it’s not a bailout, because the lenders have to write down 15 percent of the value of a troubled loan in order to qualify for the program. The lenders, they insist, are taking a loss and bearing the consequences of the irresponsible lending in which they engaged during the housing boom.
But this argument omits the fact that if a troubled loan goes into foreclosure — a most likely destination for many of them — the lender faces an average loss of one-third of the value of the loan. Faced with this kind of loss, many lenders have an incentive to work something out with borrowers anyway, and many already have, taking advantage of the Bush administration’s voluntary Hope Now program to do just that.
The kind of loans that lenders would dump on the government under the Dodd-Shelby bailout would be the most radioactive on their books — the ones likely to default anyway. So concluded the Congressional Budget Office, which found that up to 35 percent of the loans refinanced through the Dodd-Shelby program would eventually default. The lenders wouldn’t have any exposure to those losses — they would be paid back through the fund created by the Dodd-Shelby bill.
And this is where we come full circle, back to Sen. Dodd and his sweetheart deal from Countrywide. The Dodd-Shelby housing-bailout bill would be bad public policy under any conditions. Lenders are already under severe pressure to write down loans for borrowers who still have a chance to make it. The bill is overwhelming slanted toward protecting lenders, like Countrywide, that lowered their standards dramatically on a bet that home prices would never go down and subsequently find themselves holding a lot of bad debt.
Congress should launch a full investigation of Countrywide’s program to influence the powerful; that much should go without saying. But if the Senate passes the Dodd-Shelby housing bailout before such an investigation can run its course — especially if that investigation finds that members of Congress were improperly influenced — it will have allowed Countrywide to take the money and run. |
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bobabrahamson
86 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 4:21:53 PM
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Mandyvilla
3447 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 5:22:55 PM
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quote: Originally posted by homer5
The so called housing bailout bill overwhelmingly passed in the Senate. It isn't a homeowner bailout bill, it's a bank bailout bill. What's worse is the blatant corruption on the part of Chris Dodd, an author of the bill. He got a sweetheart deal from Countrywide for his personal mortgage under Cwide's "VIP" program. In return Dodd is serving up this sweetheart deal for lenders.
The long and the short of the deal is if banks agree to a 15% haircut on the loan the government program will allow the homeowner to refinance. If the refi'd loans go bad, the taxpayers pick up the tab which is anywhere from 300 billion to trillions.
What's worse, the banks have the incentive to pawn off their worst paper to the taxpayers. Normally the haircut banks would receive is in the 35-40% range. This as opposed to 15%, thus the sweetheart deal.
Call or email your Congress Criminal in opposition to this bill. Write a letter to the editor of your paper. Or you can sit back and bailout the banks and make your neighbor's mortgage payment.
From the National Review...
http://tinyurl.com/3pnwbu
Countrywide Corruption
By the Editors
The U.S. Senate is about to enact a massive subsidy for Countrywide Financial less than a week after revelations that the company’s “Friends of Angelo” sweetheart-loan program included two U.S. senators. It seems unthinkable, but it’s true. What’s worse? One of the two senators sponsored the bill.
The principal author of the Dodd-Shelby housing-bailout bill is Sen. Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, which has jurisdiction over the mortgage market. Last week, Portfolio magazine revealed that Dodd was one of two U.S. senators who benefited from a program under which Countrywide Financial gave loans at favorable terms to the influential and the powerful. The other senator was Kent Conrad, a Democrat from North Dakota.
The allegations against Conrad are damning enough. Though he denies having known he received preferential treatment, Conrad admitted to a Wall Street Journal reporter that he called Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo to ask for a loan on the advice of former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, another beneficiary of the program. (Johnson resigned from Barack Obama’s running-mate vetting team after his involvement in the program was revealed.)
But as powerful as Conrad is, the allegations against Dodd are more disturbing because he wields so much power over Countrywide’s fortunes and because he has used that power to benefit Countrywide. According to Portfolio’s calculations, the preferential loan rates Dodd received on two mortgages could end up saving him $75,000. (Like Conrad, Dodd denies knowing that he received preferential treatment.)
The troubling nature of this arrangement becomes clear when one looks at the fine print of the Dodd-Shelby housing bill. Under the bill, mortgage lenders — of which Countrywide is the largest in the U.S. — would agree to renegotiate their most troubled home loans in exchange for a federal guarantee on those loans. If the borrowers who took out those troubled loans end up defaulting, the government would cover any losses the mortgage lenders incur.
Under the Dodd-Shelby bill, a fee collected from the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would fund this program. The House version of the bill would fund the program with tax dollars. Either way, the program would be “a government buyout of problem mortgages disguised as a refinancing plan,” as David C. John of the Heritage Foundation puts it in his analysis.
Defenders of Dodd’s bill insist that it’s not a bailout, because the lenders have to write down 15 percent of the value of a troubled loan in order to qualify for the program. The lenders, they insist, are taking a loss and bearing the consequences of the irresponsible lending in which they engaged during the housing boom.
But this argument omits the fact that if a troubled loan goes into foreclosure — a most likely destination for many of them — the lender faces an average loss of one-third of the value of the loan. Faced with this kind of loss, many lenders have an incentive to work something out with borrowers anyway, and many already have, taking advantage of the Bush administration’s voluntary Hope Now program to do just that.
The kind of loans that lenders would dump on the government under the Dodd-Shelby bailout would be the most radioactive on their books — the ones likely to default anyway. So concluded the Congressional Budget Office, which found that up to 35 percent of the loans refinanced through the Dodd-Shelby program would eventually default. The lenders wouldn’t have any exposure to those losses — they would be paid back through the fund created by the Dodd-Shelby bill.
And this is where we come full circle, back to Sen. Dodd and his sweetheart deal from Countrywide. The Dodd-Shelby housing-bailout bill would be bad public policy under any conditions. Lenders are already under severe pressure to write down loans for borrowers who still have a chance to make it. The bill is overwhelming slanted toward protecting lenders, like Countrywide, that lowered their standards dramatically on a bet that home prices would never go down and subsequently find themselves holding a lot of bad debt.
Congress should launch a full investigation of Countrywide’s program to influence the powerful; that much should go without saying. But if the Senate passes the Dodd-Shelby housing bailout before such an investigation can run its course — especially if that investigation finds that members of Congress were improperly influenced — it will have allowed Countrywide to take the money and run.
*applauds
Not only do I agree with you, I believe this is a scandal that hasn't even been fully revealed. I suggest the corruption is greater than what has been tossed off as coincidental and am really concerned that some mighty powerful banking and real estate PACs have hired top lobbyists to ram this bill thru. Bush has already stated he will veto it if it comes across his desk. If it goes back and gets what? 2/3rds support they can overturn the veto (been a long time since civics). Surely some of the less liberal media is all over this, but I don't see any signs of that - and that fuels my concern. I think this bill is mortgaging our future and our children's future. Oh, and Fannie thinks by adding a 30% equity requirement to rentals of current homes is going to protect them is outright hyterical. |
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Mandyvilla
3447 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 5:45:31 PM
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| FOX NEWS, NOW, O'RILEY AND COVERING WHY IT'S BEING SWEPT UNDER THE RUG.........NOT ENOUGH MINUTES (less than 2) repeats in a couple hours......came on around 40 after the hour.......so short, no chance for spin....WHAT IS GOING ON? Have we really become that blase' about corruption? |
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SoCalRay
2698 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 6:03:09 PM
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This story about Dodd is so overblown by Faux News
Have you guys seen what Dodd got for Rates?
IT was not that special. It looks special comparing to todays rates, but he got 4.25 and 4.5 in 2003.
Anyone could of gotten those rates.
I got 4.25% on a 15 year at the time, So I guess I got special treatment also. |
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VVance
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Posted - 06/26/2008 : 6:16:11 PM
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quote: Originally posted by SoCalRay
This story about Dodd is so overblown by Faux News
Have you guys seen what Dodd got for Rates?
IT was not that special. It looks special comparing to todays rates, but he got 4.25 and 4.5 in 2003.
Anyone could of gotten those rates.
I got 4.375% on a 30 year at the time, So I guess I got special treatment also.
Disagree. He received preferential treatment with a lower rate, and as I've read, lower fees. Granted, it's not a lot of money in the real world. But, it appears at the least to violate Senate rules. Anyway you look at this, it doesn't look good. The one who runs a regulatory, legislative body getting a "special deal" from those he regulates. Or, if you accept the Senator's explanation that he didn't know he was getting a "special deal", then he certainly lacks the knowledge and expertise to hold the position he does.
Now we have a bank bailout bill referred to as a "homeowner's relief" bill? I must have been born yesterday. |
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neversaynever
1044 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 6:26:24 PM
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| BURN 'EM ALL! |
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djorge44
1571 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 6:59:52 PM
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| 4.25 on a jumbo, sounds a little VIP to me |
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Mandyvilla
3447 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 6:59:57 PM
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| Elected officials should be above reproach. Those that save over 70K of personal funds and then sponsor legislation that favors that very industry on the back of tax payers...have no business running the people's business. I do believe legislators are entitled to certain perks and have stated so in the past. This little jewel reeks goes beyond "perk." I am sorry I missed the Fox coverage earlier this week - personally I have a hard time digesting O'Rilley, but was specifically looking for this story. I went digging on the his website and it's not front and center |
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djorge44
1571 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 7:48:08 PM
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This bill is a joke, hopefully someone in the media will actually talk about it and it's potential downfall.
It reminds me of the prescription drug bill, we were told it was going to cost x amount and then a few weeks after it is passed we find out it will cost 2x as much.
This bill is going to screw FHA and will end up screwing brokers, but helping banks |
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pmbjed
99 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 8:47:44 PM
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This is another interesting aspect of the reform plan.....
From the L.A Times Blog Section:
Those following the progress of the Dodd-Shelby mortgage rescue plan in the Senate might want to check out two solid pieces of enterprising reporting on the bill this weekend.
First, the Examiner's Tim Carney reports that the bailout section of the Dodd-Shelby bill is, in the words a lobbyist, "exactly what Bank of America and Countrywide wanted."
Is there a connection between Bank of America and Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.)? There is. Carney: "Bank of America's political action committee (PAC) has donated $20,000 to Dodd since he became chairman of the banking panel 17 months ago. From January 2007 to March 2008, Bank of America employees have donated at least $50,400 to Dodd's campaigns, according to the Center for Responsive Politics."
National Review's the Corner follows up, citing an internal Bank of America document:
"National Review Online has obtained an internal Bank of America "discussion document" (PDF here) on the subject of the FHA Housing Stabilization and Homeownership Retention Act of 2008, a.k.a. the Dodd-Shelby mortgage-lender bailout bill .... This discussion document (dated March 11, 2008) would appear to support the contention that BofA essentially wrote the bailout section of the bill."
Faithful readers of the blog will remember that Bank of America has been pushing hard for a big federal intervention for months. This was from a New York Times story on BofA's lobbying efforts back in February: "Bank of America suggested creating a Federal Homeowner Preservation Corporation that would buy up billions of dollars in troubled mortgages at a deep discount, forgive debt above the current market value of the homes and use federal loan guarantees to refinance the borrowers at lower rates. 'We believe that any intervention by the federal government will be acceptable only if it is not perceived as a bailout of the bond market,' the financial institution noted. In practice, taxpayers would almost certainly view such a move as a bailout."
Your thoughts? Comments? E-mail story tips to peter.viles@latimes.com.
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Mandyvilla
3447 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2008 : 9:44:14 PM
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quote: Originally posted by djorge44
This bill is going to screw FHA and will end up screwing brokers, but helping banks
This bill is going to go far beyond that - it will make homeownership out of reach for many....rates will skyrocket because the tax payers are going to fund this. Banks will benefit, but only to the extent that they have refinanced America. Then we stagnate.
We cannot let this bill be overturned after the veto. We will be literally mortgaging our children's future....not some quip, but they will not be able to buy because inflation will be out of control and taxes out of sight. This is not a conservative or liberal bill, it's a lousy bill. If we let (and yes, "let") this bill make it, you may as well put Mozila on the Federal Reserve. If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will. |
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vburek
522 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2008 : 05:31:00 AM
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| to the Kool Aid drinking SoCalRay who gets his info from liberal areas. You say it was not "that special", so at least you agree he got a special deal, which violates the Senate rules. But of course liberals dont need to follow these rules, just need to blame repub. |
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SoCalRay
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 07:29:28 AM
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quote: Originally posted by vburek
to the Kool Aid drinking SoCalRay who gets his info from liberal areas. You say it was not "that special", so at least you agree he got a special deal, which violates the Senate rules. But of course liberals dont need to follow these rules, just need to blame repub.
IT was not as special as eevryone is making it out to be.
That is where the rates were in 2003.
Obviously you must of started in the biz after 2003 |
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Reegor
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 07:37:25 AM
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So jumbo stated rates in 2003 were 4.25% huh??
Guess I had my head in the sand that year.
The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage (FRM) averaged 5.88 percent, down from 5.90 percent the prior week and well below the 6.88 percent average in place a year ago. An average 0.7 point was payable up front to the lender.
Meanwhile, the 15-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 5.27 percent, with an average 0.6 point payable up front, down from last week's average of 5.28 percent. A year ago, the 15-year FRM averaged 6.36 percent.
Jumbo's were all over 5.47%. Yeah I guess they got a deal no one else could.
Yes I guess that is called a favor, a break, influential gesture, etc.
The freakin guys are crooks! Stop defending this great nation of slide of hand specialists! |
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vburek
522 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2008 : 07:37:27 AM
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| i was in the biz then, but you just made everyones point but your liberalism is blocking you from understanding. You just said it again, "It was not as special..." so you said he did get a special deal, that is wrong and against the rules of the Senate. but again liberals dont worry about the rules unless it is a republican breaking them. I guarantee that if a republican got his deal all the Kool aid drinking places like MSNBC, CNN would be all over the story. and you would have a much different opinion. This is just like the argument about Bill Clinton, he lied to a federal grand jury, Martha Stewart and others went to jail for lying, but what do the liberals say, it wasnt that big of a lie. |
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SoCalRay
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 08:05:57 AM
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quote: Originally posted by vburek
i was in the biz then, but you just made everyones point but your liberalism is blocking you from understanding. You just said it again, "It was not as special..." so you said he did get a special deal, that is wrong and against the rules of the Senate. but again liberals dont worry about the rules unless it is a republican breaking them. I guarantee that if a republican got his deal all the Kool aid drinking places like MSNBC, CNN would be all over the story. and you would have a much different opinion. This is just like the argument about Bill Clinton, he lied to a federal grand jury, Martha Stewart and others went to jail for lying, but what do the liberals say, it wasnt that big of a lie.
You are claiming I got my information from some liberal website and I did not.
I am not a liberal, I just happen to know what the truth is.
And I am getting tired of Truth being Labeled as liberalism.
Can you tell me one Story on Faux News that was actually news, Al they do is scream and shout about who there is to blame instead of talking about solutions.
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vburek
522 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2008 : 09:19:57 AM
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sure, they talked about the earthquake in China a few weeks ago. that was pretty news worthy. Oh, by the way, i didnt know the news is to offer solutions. i thought the purpose of the news was to report the news.... Am i wrong. The problem is you watch and go to sites that dont report news they just want to get their view point across.
To repeat, the purpose of the news is to report the news so you can decide. Not decide for you. And from your name, it appears you are from Southern California, pretty liberal area. sorry for labeling you a liberal if you are not but you do need to wise up. |
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SoCalRay
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Posted - 06/27/2008 : 09:36:13 AM
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that is a big mistake to think Southern California is Liberal
Orange is mainly Republican and I would say the same thing about San Diego
Do more Research before you type.
I was a registered republican and now an independent
I think Faux news just shouts an opinion and not really reports anything of value for as you put it to make my own decision |
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