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MisterVA

5939 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  07:22:46 AM
Key Corp was never much of a player in markets I have worked where they had a presence. They seemed to focus more on business loans. Wonder if this story is true.
HEAREP

218 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  07:29:52 AM
Doesn't make much sense from the market standpoint. Key and Nat City share the same market. Wells is also another name in the mix. This would give them exposure in the midwest.
MisterVA

5939 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  07:36:32 AM
They would shed jobs as both are HQd in the same area, but the mortgage origination platform is in more diverse areas than Key. It will be an interesting story to follow as Key has not been mentioned as a possible suitor for any of the troubled companies until now.
HEAREP

218 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  08:25:55 AM
locally they have been in the paper over Nat City for about a month. We have all paid attention to it around here as they are both in our market.
gsgroupinc

1968 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  08:27:56 AM
Both are in my backyard here in Ohio and both have terrible banking products for consumers and businesses.
gsgroupinc

1968 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  08:30:07 AM
http://www.newsnet5.com/money/15770190/detail.html?rss=nn5&psp=news
local news channel report
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1003s.com

3040 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  09:38:10 AM
NATL City recently built several new bank locations in the Chicago

burbs, and bought out a MID-sized Midwest bank. It is really

hard to tell what is going on with them.
Managing Prime

2392 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  09:45:59 AM
I read on Marke*****ch that it was WAMU that is courting them. Makes more sense than Key.
MisterVA

5939 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  09:54:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

I read on Marke*****ch that it was WAMU that is courting them. Makes more sense than Key.



Heard from my old boss and WAMU is not on the list of folks he has heard about. HSBC, RBS, TD & Wells were the other players mentioned. WAMU is tottering itself and is in no position to acquire anyone.
Carpet Muncher

1381 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  09:57:46 AM
Since National City no longer does wholesale, will this have any effect on us anyway? Is this something we should care about?
Managing Prime

2392 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  09:57:47 AM
My bad. It was Wells Fargo I was reading about yesterday.
http://www.marke*****ch.com/news/story/national-city-may-need-cleaning/story.aspx?guid=%7BAE70D0D0%2DF73D%2D46B4%2DBF04%2D09B93325CBF3%7D&dist=hplatest

quote:
Originally posted by MisterVA

quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime

I read on Marke*****ch that it was WAMU that is courting them. Makes more sense than Key.



Heard from my old boss and WAMU is not on the list of folks he has heard about. HSBC, RBS, TD & Wells were the other players mentioned. WAMU is tottering itself and is in no position to acquire anyone.

MisterVA

5939 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  10:03:55 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Carpet Muncher

Since National City no longer does wholesale, will this have any effect on us anyway? Is this something we should care about?



If they compete with you in your market, then it is something to pay attention to. And it possibly could be a destination point for brokers looking for a change.
quasigovy

378 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  10:25:52 AM
The latest I have heard is that Wells would like to buy them, but they are hoping for a Fed assisted deal like JP Morgan got with Bear.

I don't thinik people realize just how many equity lines NCB wrote over the past few years. The numbers are unreal. It is tough to see anyone taking the risk on them, unless the Fed backs a deal.

NCB could go BK if they can not find a buyer soon.

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ML

2215 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  10:36:32 AM
KeyBank is a decendent of the former National Commercial Bank once headquartered in Albany, NY. It was run for 25 years by a friend named Victor J. Riley. His son Kevin and I were rugby teammates. Kevin was until recently an Ex. Vice President at Key, and is now CFO and Treasurer of Berkshire Bank in Pittsfield, MA.

To understand Key you have to look into the past. Key grew with a strategy of community banking, serving areas that were "under-banked" and issuing small loans to consumers and small businesses. When Key began it's aggressive growth in the early 80's it acquired small banks in areas that were growing, rather than gobble up larger urban banks that had slow growth rates and large troubled loans on it's books.

Key expanded first in the Northeast, then in the Northwest. It avoided the mess that money-center banks got into in the 80' with third world loans, also managing to avoid the agriculture loan troubles of the late 80's.

Key was a large mortgage presence in the early to mid 90's, but decided to sell their mortgage unit to Nations Bank in the late 90's. They determined, to be profitable in the mortgage business, you must be number one or two in mortgage servicing to achieve the efficiencies of scale necessary to turn a profit.

Key now concentrates on small business loans and other fee generating products like trusts. You won't find Key writing off Billions of dollars in bad loans, and I doubt they will buy Nat City, goes agains the Irish of Vic Riley!
quasigovy

378 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  11:32:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ML

KeyBank is a decendent of the former National Commercial Bank once headquartered in Albany, NY. It was run for 25 years by a friend named Victor J. Riley. His son Kevin and I were rugby teammates. Kevin was until recently an Ex. Vice President at Key, and is now CFO and Treasurer of Berkshire Bank in Pittsfield, MA.

To understand Key you have to look into the past. Key grew with a strategy of community banking, serving areas that were "under-banked" and issuing small loans to consumers and small businesses. When Key began it's aggressive growth in the early 80's it acquired small banks in areas that were growing, rather than gobble up larger urban banks that had slow growth rates and large troubled loans on it's books.

Key expanded first in the Northeast, then in the Northwest. It avoided the mess that money-center banks got into in the 80' with third world loans, also managing to avoid the agriculture loan troubles of the late 80's.

Key was a large mortgage presence in the early to mid 90's, but decided to sell their mortgage unit to Nations Bank in the late 90's. They determined, to be profitable in the mortgage business, you must be number one or two in mortgage servicing to achieve the efficiencies of scale necessary to turn a profit.

Key now concentrates on small business loans and other fee generating products like trusts. You won't find Key writing off Billions of dollars in bad loans, and I doubt they will buy Nat City, goes agains the Irish of Vic Riley!




Key was kicking the tires for a few months then walked.
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ML

2215 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2008 :  11:37:01 AM
quote:
Originally posted by quasigovy

quote:
Originally posted by ML

KeyBank is a decendent of the former National Commercial Bank once headquartered in Albany, NY. It was run for 25 years by a friend named Victor J. Riley. His son Kevin and I were rugby teammates. Kevin was until recently an Ex. Vice President at Key, and is now CFO and Treasurer of Berkshire Bank in Pittsfield, MA.

To understand Key you have to look into the past. Key grew with a strategy of community banking, serving areas that were "under-banked" and issuing small loans to consumers and small businesses. When Key began it's aggressive growth in the early 80's it acquired small banks in areas that were growing, rather than gobble up larger urban banks that had slow growth rates and large troubled loans on it's books.

Key expanded first in the Northeast, then in the Northwest. It avoided the mess that money-center banks got into in the 80' with third world loans, also managing to avoid the agriculture loan troubles of the late 80's.

Key was a large mortgage presence in the early to mid 90's, but decided to sell their mortgage unit to Nations Bank in the late 90's. They determined, to be profitable in the mortgage business, you must be number one or two in mortgage servicing to achieve the efficiencies of scale necessary to turn a profit.

Key now concentrates on small business loans and other fee generating products like trusts. You won't find Key writing off Billions of dollars in bad loans, and I doubt they will buy Nat City, goes agains the Irish of Vic Riley!




Key was kicking the tires for a few months then walked.



If they buy, it will be because of the steep steep discount, and the branch network! And if they DO buy, the first thing they will do is sell the mortgage division!
HEAREP

218 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2008 :  11:51:01 AM
Looks like my company is moving to the top of the list now.
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