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azucarero75
192 Posts |
 Posted - 03/22/2008 : 10:04:19 AM
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In two hours I received 4 leads and a call back. That’s a total of 5.
I spoke with John Tattan half hour prior to starting and help me login and listen to the telemarketer. My impression of them has change not only great leads but also their service has improve. I’ll definitely hire them for future telemarketing. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 11:06:27 AM
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i just received 4 more and two additional that want me to call on june and july. This is by far the best result i have seen.
so you know, i'm able to listen to telemarketer make the calls. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 12:12:34 PM
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| got my last leads. a total of 12 leads. any question? |
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 12:20:10 PM
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azucarero75:
What type of leads did you buy and where?
I am on the waiting list with John to get mine started--(probably in about a week or two). Have not yet bought my list. Please advise. Thanks.
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 1:10:47 PM
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i bought leads from member101. $50 for 5000 data
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member101
463 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 1:19:48 PM
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MEMBER101 DATA + RENT-A-TELEMARKETER = GUARANTEED SUCCESS AT THE CHEAPEST PRICE
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Originally posted by azucarero75
i bought leads from member101. $50 for 5000 data
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 2:31:06 PM
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azucarero75:
Thanks for sharing that info.
Elias---I will be in touch Monday for the data...thanks.
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hockeyguy
206 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 4:28:11 PM
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| azucarero75 - I see you bought your leads from member101 is that whos also doing your telemarketing? |
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getfunding
128 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 6:21:10 PM
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How Can I Take Advantage of the Member101-Elie---Rent A Telemarketer exchange??
Sounds like a Great combo, Heard great things from both you guys.
Thanks
Dareck
dareck.crane@echostarfinancial.com |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 7:49:38 PM
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closing prime does the telemarketing. You can read their posting topic name Rent-A-Telemarketer.
Basically is $17.50 an hour and you have to book them for 4 hours at a time. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 7:52:41 PM
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Originally posted by getfunding
How Can I Take Advantage of the Member101-Elie---Rent A Telemarketer exchange??
Sounds like a Great combo, Heard great things from both you guys.
Thanks
Dareck
dareck.crane@echostarfinancial.com
Here is a link to his posting.
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=199836
You will see that i gave them some what bad review at first but once i started with the program i became a believer. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2008 : 9:40:03 PM
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Thank you for the kind review Eduardo. It's our goal to make sure that all clients have a similar experience. Right now we still have some work to do so that we can ensure that both current and new clients continue to receive the same great service and we hope to be able to start taking on new clients in the coming weeks.
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 10:43:08 AM
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| I would like ot schedule a two weeks worth of telemarketing. Let me know if this is possible and when can we start? |
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hockeyguy
206 Posts |
Posted - 03/23/2008 : 8:53:36 PM
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| John - Sent you an email. Would like to see if you could fit me in. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 4:19:05 PM
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Finally getting our production capacity up. John is starting to line everyone up for the next round of scheduling which should start this Wed.
If you don't already have contracts, etc. you can email rentatelemarketer@dialingprime.com to get those documents and setup with John on the list.
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member101
463 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 5:21:10 PM
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This is the thread of joy and prosperity  |
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hockeyguy
206 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 5:40:14 PM
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| Just real tough to get in touch with John/Patrick |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 9:30:36 PM
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Elias,
Fancy that, I'm a big fan of both joy and prosperity.
Hockey Guy,
After we get hiring and training headaches out of the way (very soon) john and I will be going in to get chips implated so that you can always reach us at anytime day or night. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 10:05:22 AM
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| Johns about to open up the flood gates. He will have instructions shortly. |
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hockeyguy
206 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 10:10:33 AM
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| Is he going to post them here or send out emails? |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 10:15:05 AM
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| Rent update to all registered dialing prime users. He will also post on this thread. |
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hockeyguy
206 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 11:10:04 AM
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| Just talked to john about getting set up. Have a questions for you. I'm looking at buying me leads from Elie and curious to know how many your telemartketers need per hour. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 11:17:45 AM
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| 150-200 per hour of dialing |
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Iverson170
77 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 11:59:20 AM
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Hey Patrick could you email me some more information about your rent-a telemarketer service?
-Erick |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 12:04:00 PM
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This thread addresses nuts and bolts in detail:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=199836
This email contains links to documents, forums, etc.:
rentatelemarketer@dialingprime.com
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member101
463 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2008 : 3:01:14 PM
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For everyone reading this thread and wondering where to get my data to accomodate your Rent-A-Telemarketer service, here it is:
http://www.brokeroutpost.com/loans/brokers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=153530
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 09:34:23 AM
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Sorry for taking this long to post new results.
Out of the 12 leads that I’ve got from R-A-T I was able to get three
Full applications with credit report and appraisal. with what I can see they are doable but will have to wait until the appraisal is back.
On a different note, I hire them again for a full week possible starting tomorrow. And I will definitely port those results as well.
I have to say that their communications skills have improve 120%. Their TM quality is superb.
At first I thought that they were not going to make with such a bumpy start but I gave them a chance, after all every one disserves a chance, and they deliver. Made a believer out of me.
I think I did enough kissing for one day. I’ll post as soon as I have more results.
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aspiring1
1214 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2008 : 2:53:48 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by azucarero75
Sorry for taking this long to post new results.
Out of the 12 leads that I’ve got from R-A-T I was able to get three
Full applications with credit report and appraisal. with what I can see they are doable but will have to wait until the appraisal is back.
On a different note, I hire them again for a full week possible starting tomorrow. And I will definitely port those results as well.
I have to say that their communications skills have improve 120%. Their TM quality is superb.
At first I thought that they were not going to make with such a bumpy start but I gave them a chance, after all every one disserves a chance, and they deliver. Made a believer out of me.
I think I did enough kissing for one day. I’ll post as soon as I have more results.
Please post your results. My company is looking for a lead source and I figured a telemarketing campaign would be the best bet. |
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smarch1219
39 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 08:24:46 AM
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John,
Doy uo know when you are going to be taking on new clients and when the next scheduling is available? |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 08:29:13 AM
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| CST and MST are actively being booked for the end of April. PST can get on sooner with the disclaimer of CA is a no-mans land. Up the coast in WA we can knock out 8+ leads per shift...down in CA we are doing really good to get 3-4. |
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smarch1219
39 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 08:34:00 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Managing Prime
CST and MST are actively being booked for the end of April. PST can get on sooner with the disclaimer of CA is a no-mans land. Up the coast in WA we can knock out 8+ leads per shift...down in CA we are doing really good to get 3-4.
I am looking at WI. What dates should I put in the contract? |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 08:40:36 AM
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You would have to get with John on that. Our client-employee instant communicator of Choice is AIM PRO (http://aimpro.premiumservices.aol.com) it's free for you and the best way to instantly get a hold of myself or John. Johns ScreenName is John.Tattan@closingprime.com and mine is plawson@closingprime.com
Or you can just call or email John to go over scheduling. (614.316.7871 or jtattan@closingprime.com)
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Originally posted by smarch1219
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Originally posted by Managing Prime
CST and MST are actively being booked for the end of April. PST can get on sooner with the disclaimer of CA is a no-mans land. Up the coast in WA we can knock out 8+ leads per shift...down in CA we are doing really good to get 3-4.
I am looking at WI. What dates should I put in the contract?
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2008 : 1:08:33 PM
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updates.
I hire R-A-T on wednesday and thursday. we called CA on both dates and the total of leads is 6. two compleat aplication and one appraisal order for today i should have it by tuesday or wednesday.
we change data to adjustibles. I will schedule them for next week and once i close one loan from this leads i will be scheduling for a month at a time.
This is the best thing since the invention of the wheel. |
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msancheznj
2100 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 3:16:16 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by azucarero75
updates.
I hire R-A-T on wednesday and thursday. we called CA on both dates and the total of leads is 6. two compleat aplication and one appraisal order for today i should have it by tuesday or wednesday.
we change data to adjustibles. I will schedule them for next week and once i close one loan from this leads i will be scheduling for a month at a time.
This is the best thing since the invention of the wheel.
Because of your results I ordered 3 time blocks, if I close even 1 I will buy a whole month, I hope member101 will have more data by then. |
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 3:38:45 PM
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azucarero75:
I cannot wait for my 2 sessions to start (next week) with R-A-T. Also got the CA and TX datalist from Elias. Praying to get almost similar results you have been having.
While I was waiting on R-A-T, I tried 4 hrs with a different telemarketer service---totally disappointed. Good thing it was a trial. I thought I could fill pipeline with at least one or two borrowers--- got NONE and the TM's excuse was---there are too many disconnected numbers from the list (same Elias list you guys got).
John, please schedule a GOOD SEASONED TM for me so I can get those great results......
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aspiring1
1214 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 3:46:15 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jambala
azucarero75:
I cannot wait for my 2 sessions to start (next week) with R-A-T. Also got the CA and TX datalist from Elias. Praying to get almost similar results you have been having.
While I was waiting on R-A-T, I tried 4 hrs with a different telemarketer service---totally disappointed. Good thing it was a trial. I thought I could fill pipeline with at least one or two borrowers--- got NONE and the TM's excuse was---there are too many disconnected numbers from the list (same Elias list you guys got).
John, please schedule a GOOD SEASONED TM for me so I can get those great results......
Uhh..you said that you got Cali? Texas is not a bad state, people are pretty friendly, the telemarketer should easily pull at least one app every hour, depending on the list. Now Cali is entirely different. You should not expect more than one app for every 3 hours that you prospect for..lol. Just my opinion. I purchase 5,000 leads from Elias and only contacted 200 people. I decided around that time not to ever campaign into California for refi's again. That was about six months ago (I bought a Cali list). |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 4:23:15 PM
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Have to agree on CA. I know that Ed's best results came from some north east states. I've seen good results in TX, AZ and WA. CA is tough to say least. I'm satisfied that our TM tried their very best is they pull .50 leads per hour in CA.
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Originally posted by aspiring1
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Originally posted by jambala
azucarero75:
I cannot wait for my 2 sessions to start (next week) with R-A-T. Also got the CA and TX datalist from Elias. Praying to get almost similar results you have been having.
While I was waiting on R-A-T, I tried 4 hrs with a different telemarketer service---totally disappointed. Good thing it was a trial. I thought I could fill pipeline with at least one or two borrowers--- got NONE and the TM's excuse was---there are too many disconnected numbers from the list (same Elias list you guys got).
John, please schedule a GOOD SEASONED TM for me so I can get those great results......
Uhh..you said that you got Cali? Texas is not a bad state, people are pretty friendly, the telemarketer should easily pull at least one app every hour, depending on the list. Now Cali is entirely different. You should not expect more than one app for every 3 hours that you prospect for..lol. Just my opinion. I purchase 5,000 leads from Elias and only contacted 200 people. I decided around that time not to ever campaign into California for refi's again. That was about six months ago (I bought a Cali list).
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 6:17:59 PM
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Pat:
What exactly is tough about CA?? Is it the loan amounts? No loan programs? The LTV? Everyone upside down? Low credit scores? Or just basic RUDE people....LOL???? Sorry I am based in CA.
Do you have any ideas?? |
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aspiring1
1214 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 6:29:04 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jambala
Pat:
What exactly is tough about CA?? Is it the loan amounts? No loan programs? The LTV? Everyone upside down? Low credit scores? Or just basic RUDE people....LOL???? Sorry I am based in CA.
Do you have any ideas??
From my experience in Cali:
1.) Loan amounts - Could be a problem for amounts that are above conforming. LOs will have to sell higher rates for jumbo pricing in many cases.
2.) LTV - One of the biggest problems - values are dropping significantly on a monthly basis. For people that bought at or near 100% LTV near the peak, the value is not there to refi. Unfortunately more than 50% of the people that I app in California have LTV issues and can't refinance at the time.
3.) Rude people - DEFINITELY. They aren't the nicest over here! You can actually have an interested lead that was telemarketed; only to call them and then NEVER get to speak with the person because him/her never answers the phone! Why? I don't know! Wierd..yes.
Maybe the saturation of mortgage pros out here contribute to that; there's nearly a shop on every corner so prospects feel little loyalty, or appreciation.
4.) DTI - So many people had to go stated income out here because of the inflated values. Now, I am finding that many people have 60%+ DTI and cannot fit into any program based on today's guidelines. Pay Options, I/O, NINA, SISA, SIVA..etc were the programs that put
many folks into loans. Too bad there really aren't any that allow them to get out. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2008 : 8:50:53 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by msancheznj
quote:
Originally posted by azucarero75
updates.
I hire R-A-T on wednesday and thursday. we called CA on both dates and the total of leads is 6. two compleat aplication and one appraisal order for today i should have it by tuesday or wednesday.
we change data to adjustibles. I will schedule them for next week and once i close one loan from this leads i will be scheduling for a month at a time.
This is the best thing since the invention of the wheel.
Because of your results I ordered 3 time blocks, if I close even 1 I will buy a whole month, I hope member101 will have more data by then.
I don't want to miss guide people here, i did change the data to adjustibles when we called California. I'm not saying anything bad about memeber101 data. I just though that by goin for a more direct market might give me a better results. If you don't have the money to invest in this type of data you should stick with member101. for $50. you can't go wrong. with his data i was able to get 12 fresh, exclusive leads. again, can't beat that.
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 12:16:16 PM
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OH MY GOSH....
I had my first session last night (moved forward cos someone else cancelled).
John set up the calls and I was able to listen in. The TM was awesome---so much better than one I had encountered from a different company. No complains about the TM or John's services.
The 4 hr session yielded ZERO leads. WHY?? Cos its CA and the list used was from ELias. Too many disconnects, people who do not have any mortgages..e.tc...
Before I purchased the list---I asked and was told they are all the same. Turns out not to be. So last nights session was a total waste.
Guess by spending pennies (on these penny data)..you end up wasting a lot of dollars.
So folks---if you plan on making these calls in CA---don't waste you $$$ on that penny date from Elias for CA. Don't know about other states but the CA one *****---first had experience.
Anyone know where to get GOOD list that will yield leads and not waste the sessions?? These TM are good---must be depressing for them not to get any leads after 4 hrs. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 12:22:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jambala
OH MY GOSH....
I had my first session last night (moved forward cos someone else cancelled).
John set up the calls and I was able to listen in. The TM was awesome---so much better than one I had encountered from a different company. No complains about the TM or John's services.
The 4 hr session yielded ZERO leads. WHY?? Cos its CA and the list used was from ELias. Too many disconnects, people who do not have any mortgages..e.tc...
Before I purchased the list---I asked and was told they are all the same. Turns out not to be. So last nights session was a total waste.
Guess by spending pennies (on these penny data)..you end up wasting a lot of dollars.
So folks---if you plan on making these calls in CA---don't waste you $$$ on that penny date from Elias for CA. Don't know about other states but the CA one *****---first had experience.
Anyone know where to get GOOD list that will yield leads and not waste the sessions?? These TM are good---must be depressing for them not to get any leads after 4 hrs.
Give me a call to see how i can help you. 413-363-1518
i have to step out for a second but leave a number so i can reach you back. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 12:35:35 PM
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I was watching your session last night. I know that it ***** to see those strike outs. It's tough on every bodies moral. CA is by far the most difficult State to TM. While the data is aways an important factor and more targeted data can yield better results for sure it may no improve your bottom line.
Think about it. One shift will move though a little under 600 records. With Elias data thats a data cost of $6.00/shift.
Let's assume you buy more targeted "quality" data at $0.10 per record. Well, now your data costs per shift are $60.00/shift.
Penny data and TM = $76.00/shift
Targeted data and TM = $130.00/shift
If all you did was call CA leads using Elias data you would see an average lead per shift somewhere between 1.50 - 2.00...or a cost per lead around $38-$50.
You might be able to double your leads per shift to 3.0 - 4.0 with more targeted data to yield $32 - $43 per lead.
(Remember to run these back of the envelope calculations when contemplating your data purchases for use in a dialer)
While you could see a marginal increase with better data the cost per lead is still very high compared with the averages from other states...AND that's before all the fallout due to value problems in many CA markets.
TX is a pretty solid state for TM. On the West Coast we also see good results in WA.
My advice, and what I've been on John about telling everyone who wants to call in CA..."Stay out!". If you can do loans in other states then avoid using our services to call in CA. Infact, a new policy that I'm putting into effect is that if CA is the only state you can write loans in then we will turn business down.
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 12:55:46 PM
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If only I knew this beforehad Pat.... its always that if only we knew.....
Like I said, I have not complains about your TM or your services...just that that CA list did not work this time.
Great idea to tell people what to expect about the CA list and to keep them from wasting money and time if results aren't great.
Hopefully, the next session for Texas will yield some better numbers. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 12:56:05 PM
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On a side note: If you want to see the best results possible from the most difficult markets target very specific niche groups that no one else is....for instance.
Renters- Lower conversion ratio and longer time to see ROI. However, these target lists have much higher lead per hour ratio and the leads can be leveraged to build relationships with Realtors and long term relationships with the borrowers.
HELOCS - You will only make $500-$1500 on these, but you do volume. The pitch is so very easy if you are pitching no cost HELOCS. It's not a loan...it's a line. Also, you can pull standard CO refinance loans out of the prospects if you analyze their situation and sell the refinance (or combo) as a benefit. |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 1:03:39 PM
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Did John warn you? When I saw you dialing in CA I asked him if you had been warned. He said he did warn you but the way he said it led me to think he was not very emphatic.
Yeah. CA is just tough. We like to have a win-win-win working at all times and it just does not seem possible in CA. The TM's get bummed because of the results, the client gets upset over the results, I get upset that clients and employees are upset...and it seems that CA homeowers are always upset. LOL
TX should be good. Not targeted by a lot of LO's because many are unfamiliar with the different lending guidelines. When we do see action in TX it is good.
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Originally posted by jambala
If only I knew this beforehad Pat.... its always that if only we knew.....
Like I said, I have not complains about your TM or your services...just that that CA list did not work this time.
Great idea to tell people what to expect about the CA list and to keep them from wasting money and time if results aren't great.
Hopefully, the next session for Texas will yield some better numbers.
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 1:16:46 PM
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| jambala please e-mail me your information at eburgoswpi@comcast.net |
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jambala
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 1:17:44 PM
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No Pat...I was not warned at all about CA when I inquired about the list or arranged the calls. If I only knew...I would have chosen another state. When purchasing the list---I did ask for other states besides TX and CA and was told they have no more from other states.
Even the TX list---I had a different company try a sample portion of the list (same Elia's) they also told me high disconnected ratios. So I am sort of worried that it may be more or less the same as CA.
I may look elsewhere for a better list---anyone have any recommendations?? List that have produced good results---states and products specified? |
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Managing Prime
2258 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 1:50:30 PM
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| http://dialingprime.com//index.php?option=com_weblinks&catid=2&Itemid=23 |
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aspiring1
1214 Posts |
Posted - 04/10/2008 : 3:57:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by jambala
If only I knew this beforehad Pat.... its always that if only we knew.....
Like I said, I have not complains about your TM or your services...just that that CA list did not work this time.
Great idea to tell people what to expect about the CA list and to keep them from wasting money and time if results aren't great.
Hopefully, the next session for Texas will yield some better numbers.
I bought a list from Elias about six months ago. It was for California.
I called for three hours and after hearing "I don't have a mortgage" - too many times, and too many disconnected numbers, I did not waste one more minute of my time.
I just passed on the 5,000 leads that I purchased to another member on BO for us in her company's dialer, two days ago. |
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azucarero75
192 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2008 : 2:02:20 PM
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updates
for today i have received 5 leads and pull 3 credit report.
i still have one hour to go.
again, this data is diferrent. they are adjustibles.
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