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texlend
661 Posts |
 Posted - 11/24/2007 : 04:55:29 AM
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11/15/07 Vote 1118: H R 3915: Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act Not Voting
11/15/07 Vote 1117: H R 3915: Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act Not Voting
Is he consistent? |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 05:20:25 AM
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| Consistent, as in not willing to take a position on something important? |
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Nico
2976 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 12:06:03 PM
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| well he also wants to do away with the Federal Reserve system which would put most brokers out of business anyways, so whatever you want. |
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mortgagemessiah
7907 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 1:21:46 PM
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| Dennis Kucinich didn't vote either. |
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homebroker@sbcgl
2125 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 1:25:08 PM
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| No Vote not even involved, one strike against Paul |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 8:34:20 PM
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He's probably too busy asking all the real politicians how to stash internet contributions as personal cash. Everytime I hear about this guy (Which is never, except for BO), all I can picture is his next ad;
"Hello, my name is Ron Paul. I am a Prince of Nigeria and I would like to ask of your help.
I curently have over 40 billion of your dollars which I am unable to access without you my new friend. I am of the will to grately reward you for this asistance!
I am also requesting that all of America to like myself begin to follow the US Constitution (This is not the document, it is a ship from Star Trek). Recently, a UFO visited myself and has placed an offshore lien upon my money properties..." |
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slants
4253 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 9:13:15 PM
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Originally posted by assassin17
He's probably too busy asking all the real politicians how to stash internet contributions as personal cash. Everytime I hear about this guy (Which is never, except for BO), all I can picture is his next ad;
"Hello, my name is Ron Paul. I am a Prince of Nigeria and I would like to ask of your help.
I curently have over 40 billion of your dollars which I am unable to access without you my new friend. I am of the will to grately reward you for this asistance!
I am also requesting that all of America to like myself begin to follow the US Constitution (This is not the document, it is a ship from Star Trek). Recently, a UFO visited myself and has placed an offshore lien upon my money properties..."
OMG, this made me laugh so hard I almost peed my pants. |
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cpruitt
1608 Posts |
Posted - 11/24/2007 : 10:22:16 PM
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He has a position on it: the federal government shouldn't be involved in the mortgage business at all. Just as he is opposed to pretty much every regulation at the federal level period.
Here's a quote from his statement on the Federal Reserve:
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Make no mistake, the problems faced by the American people are not caused by unscrupulous mortgage brokers or the rising price of oil. These are symptoms of an economic disease caused by a spendthrift Congress enabled by loose monetary policy. Too many pundits praise the weak dollar as benefiting exporters, but they fail to see the harm done to thrifty, hard-working Americans. Rather than continuing to pursue a policy of easy credit and increasing debt, we need to return to a sound monetary system.”
He's the only candidate you can follow all the way back to very beginning of his political career and not find any inconsistency. It's amazing he ever won a political race of any kind. He's also the only candidate in the bunch that actually has a complete and well thought out philosophical base for his political beliefs. One that uses more than just what he has experienced in his lifetime as its basis. People tend to make political decisions based on their very limited personal experience when in reality it takes the study of hundreds of years of history and the experiences of thousands to really understand the problems we face and their solutions. Most politicians, however, just respond to whatever lobbyist or interest group is in their face and just "do something about" whatever problem they wish to address. Usually causing some worse problem because they don't understand that they aren't smart enough to solve the original problem. It is no coincidence that the country tends to flourish more when the government is divided and everyone is complaining that it isn't getting anything accomplished.
It is astounding that he has raised the millions of dollars that he has from a bunch of people giving small amounts of money, yet he doesn't show up in the polls. I think something smells about the way the polls are conducted.
As you may have noticed, he's traveling around running for President.  So he's picking out the votes where his vote will actually make any difference at all. In this case, he wouldn't have. |
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texlend
661 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 04:36:43 AM
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| Not voting is his position as cpruitt just explained. He has been 100% consistent for MANY years. I agree, the polls are suspicious. You guys should do a little research in your spare time with the TV off. |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 06:14:19 AM
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I've done my research on him and consider him not worth my vote or further research. This helps cement it.
Any clown that decides to vote only when he feels like it is just more of the same-old, same-old in Washington. So he felt his vote "wouldn't make a difference", but yet if we Americans use that as an excuse for not voting, we would be attacked as unpatriotic and lazy.
His "position" was to not take a position and you can't sugarcoat his apathy as anything but an evasion on the issue. If I wanted a candy-ass for president, I'd have voted for Al Gore or Ralph Nader. Ron Putz despicably avoided an issue that affects everyone on this forum and I have no idea how anyone here can take that as a positive thing. Same goes for Kucinich. You can't blame apathy on polls, these guys are simply afraid to commit on an issue because it might lose votes. |
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darkstar
16000 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 06:47:08 AM
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| Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as we do getting a STATED LTV program... |
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cpruitt
1608 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 12:32:14 PM
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Nothing personal, although your attack on Ron Paul was needlessly personal, but that statement doesn't even make sense. He took a position. He's always had a position. His position hasn't changed since at least the 1980s. He just missed a vote. Missing the vote was a purely practical matter. Every once in a while a person has to decide what is the most valuable use of their time at that moment, and where their actions will have the most impact. In my view, giving his message more exposure matters more even when he doesn't win than that silly predestined vote would have.
The funny thing is that you picked someone on the other side, Dennis Kucinich, who is wrong on almost every issue he thinks about, but is also another person who takes a position based on his principles rather than politics.
To say that missing one meaningless vote makes one of the toughest most consistent, principled Congressmen that has ever been in the Capitol building a "candy-ass" doesn't even make sense and shows that in reality you haven't looked at what Ron Paul has done in his life or what he stands for. Not every vote in Congress means something or makes a difference. That's how the real world works.
Everyone in the country heard him grilling the crap out of Bernanke and putting the blame for the economic problems where it belongs, and I guarantee that action had more impact than showing up to vote on something when his vote wouldn't have changed the outcome. He knew before he missed the vote what the outcome would be.
Ron Paul doesn't have a chance of being elected because neither the Republican nor Democratic machines have any interest in allowing someone to get elected who advocates policies that reduce their one party (they say different things but do the same thing) control of American politics. They've spent the last hundred years making sure Americans aren't educated enough, or independent enough to make the right decisions. It is just strange that the polls don't match the money.
Here's a funny video from Penn & Teller's show "Bullsh8t" that shows Republican pollster Frank Luntz explaining how polls get rigged:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
(have to cut and paste I guess)
By the way, I do consider not voting just as honorable and valid an action in protest against the political machine, as voting for the lesser of two evils just to exercise your right to vote. If enough people didn't vote, it would be hard for those idiot politicians to claim they had a popular mandate to carry out whatever stupid plan they had that day. As a matter of fact, since most Americans graduate high school reading on an elementary school level and never open another book again I would rather they stayed at home and out of the practice of making their uninformed decisions which control my life, and spend their time taking care of their own business. The country would be better off.
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Originally posted by assassin17
I've done my research on him and consider him not worth my vote or further research. This helps cement it.
Any clown that decides to vote only when he feels like it is just more of the same-old, same-old in Washington. So he felt his vote "wouldn't make a difference", but yet if we Americans use that as an excuse for not voting, we would be attacked as unpatriotic and lazy.
His "position" was to not take a position and you can't sugarcoat his apathy as anything but an evasion on the issue. If I wanted a candy-ass for president, I'd have voted for Al Gore or Ralph Nader. Ron Putz despicably avoided an issue that affects everyone on this forum and I have no idea how anyone here can take that as a positive thing. Same goes for Kucinich. You can't blame apathy on polls, these guys are simply afraid to commit on an issue because it might lose votes.
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darkstar
16000 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 12:34:44 PM
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>>>>Ron Paul doesn't have a chance of being elected because neither the Republican nor Democratic machines have any interest in allowing someone to get elected who advocates policies that reduce their one party (they say different things but do the same thing) control of American politics. They've spent the last hundred years making sure Americans aren't educated enough, or independent enough to make the right decisions.
Xactly...And with the media's help, anyone that runs on a pro-people platform has no chance because of it... |
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mortgagemessiah
7907 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 12:44:40 PM
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| Carl - The point is he didn't vote on it one way or another. |
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cpruitt
1608 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 1:56:05 PM
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And my point is that is doesn't matter whether he did or not. 
The result of the vote was a foregone conclusion whether he showed up or not. He saw that and spent his time doing something more important.
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Originally posted by mortgagemessiah
Carl - The point is he didn't vote on it one way or another.
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broker949
207 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2007 : 4:45:54 PM
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Well I know one vote he showed up for. In 2003 he voted AGAINST the Amber Alert bill. That program has thus far saved the lives of over 200 children who otherwise would of been raped and/or murdered. Before you Ron Paul lovers say that he voted against it because there must of been other items attached to the bill you're right:
1) Made illegal visual illustrations of child ****ography.
2) Imposed mandatory sentences for adult sex offenders.
3) Allowed more communication equipment between police agencies to prevent child sexual abuse.
4) Removed ability for pretrial release for those that rape or kidnap children.
5) Made available transitional housing assistance grants for child victims of sexual assult.
6) Removed statute of limitations for child abduction and sex crimes.
7) Enacted "Adam's Law" that established a procedure for police after a child is reported missing in a public place such as a mall. Named after John Walsh's son.
8) Sentencing enhancements for those that engage in interstate travel for the purpose of having a sexual act with a child.
9) Made internet availability of information concerning registered sex offenders.
10) Increased penalities for landlords that knowingly allow their home or business to be used for drug purposes. Basically made landlords of crack houses more liable for what goes on at their property.
Ron Paul is a clown.
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 07:07:57 AM
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Well it appears you have been to a hate ron paul website as you have copy and pasted the list 1 through 10 on here. however he has already adressed this and the fact is that Dems and rep. have tried to attach all kinds of crap to this bill. he simply voted against these items. I dont have time at work to find out what items exactly where attached to the amber alert bill.
Its similar to the Iraq war bill didnt some dem try to attach some funding for a museum in his home town. Im sure none of the canidates want to harm children.Unless your like Huckabee and want to pardon a rapist.
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Originally posted by broker949
Well I know one vote he showed up for. In 2003 he voted AGAINST the Amber Alert bill. That program has thus far saved the lives of over 200 children who otherwise would of been raped and/or murdered. Before you Ron Paul lovers say that he voted against it because there must of been other items attached to the bill you're right:
1) Made illegal visual illustrations of child ****ography.
2) Imposed mandatory sentences for adult sex offenders.
3) Allowed more communication equipment between police agencies to prevent child sexual abuse.
4) Removed ability for pretrial release for those that rape or kidnap children.
5) Made available transitional housing assistance grants for child victims of sexual assult.
6) Removed statute of limitations for child abduction and sex crimes.
7) Enacted "Adam's Law" that established a procedure for police after a child is reported missing in a public place such as a mall. Named after John Walsh's son.
8) Sentencing enhancements for those that engage in interstate travel for the purpose of having a sexual act with a child.
9) Made internet availability of information concerning registered sex offenders.
10) Increased penalities for landlords that knowingly allow their home or business to be used for drug purposes. Basically made landlords of crack houses more liable for what goes on at their property.
Ron Paul is a clown.
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broker949
207 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 09:41:41 AM
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Originally posted by Dana Point
Well it appears you have been to a hate ron paul website as you have copy and pasted the list 1 through 10 on here. however he has already adressed this and the fact is that Dems and rep. have tried to attach all kinds of crap to this bill. he simply voted against these items. I dont have time at work to find out what items exactly where attached to the amber alert bill.
Its similar to the Iraq war bill didnt some dem try to attach some funding for a museum in his home town. Im sure none of the canidates want to harm children.Unless your like Huckabee and want to pardon a rapist.
I love your logic. You say everything in my argument is false yet supply no facts to back them. What website did I allegedly copy from? I pasted the link to the actual bill itself. Please tell me all the "crap" that is attached to it.
http://www.house.gov/feeney/pdf/protectactfinal.pdf |
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homebroker@sbcgl
2125 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 09:49:09 AM
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| I like Ron Paul he is a little different, maybe I'll vote for him, but how can his voting record be 100% perfect if he dosent always show up for the vote at all. This is an important vote worth anyones time. It is a major cause if many problems i our country right now, and he has more important issues?? |
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msancheznj
2133 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 09:55:40 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by broker949
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Originally posted by Dana Point
Well it appears you have been to a hate ron paul website as you have copy and pasted the list 1 through 10 on here. however he has already adressed this and the fact is that Dems and rep. have tried to attach all kinds of crap to this bill. he simply voted against these items. I dont have time at work to find out what items exactly where attached to the amber alert bill.
Its similar to the Iraq war bill didnt some dem try to attach some funding for a museum in his home town. Im sure none of the canidates want to harm children.Unless your like Huckabee and want to pardon a rapist.
I love your logic. You say everything in my argument is false yet supply no facts to back them. What website did I allegedly copy from? I pasted the link to the actual bill itself. Please tell me all the "crap" that is attached to it.
http://www.house.gov/feeney/pdf/protectactfinal.pdf
OK, so who are voting for? Any favorites right now? Anybody? |
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broker949
207 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 10:06:41 AM
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OK, so who are voting for? Any favorites right now? Anybody?
I like Romney. He has a lot of leadership and business experience and strong family values. |
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mitchmaxx
904 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 10:06:45 AM
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| I am voting for REAGAN!!! |
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mbrownusa
784 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 10:27:20 AM
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Originally posted by mitchmaxx
I am voting for REAGAN!!!
I'll 2nd that one!!!! |
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servicefirst
3416 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 10:37:50 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mitchmaxx
I am voting for REAGAN!!!
That's how I know Dems are going to do well - their candidates are alive AND on the ballot. |
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msancheznj
2133 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 10:38:49 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mbrownusa
quote:
Originally posted by mitchmaxx
I am voting for REAGAN!!!
I'll 2nd that one!!!!
I'll 3rd that one!!! (Ron Paul)buahahahaha |
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 11:57:02 AM
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haha give me a day all of the websites i go to are monitored by managment, i will follow up with a link.
In regards to Regan, Ron paul has help Regan to get elected go to youtube and type in Regan and ron paul or any of thoose key phrases and you will see clips of Paul with regan and what regan has said about ron paul.
I will follow up with the argument on ron paul voting against the amber alert.
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Originally posted by broker949
quote:
Originally posted by Dana Point
Well it appears you have been to a hate ron paul website as you have copy and pasted the list 1 through 10 on here. however he has already adressed this and the fact is that Dems and rep. have tried to attach all kinds of crap to this bill. he simply voted against these items. I dont have time at work to find out what items exactly where attached to the amber alert bill.
Its similar to the Iraq war bill didnt some dem try to attach some funding for a museum in his home town. Im sure none of the canidates want to harm children.Unless your like Huckabee and want to pardon a rapist.
I love your logic. You say everything in my argument is false yet supply no facts to back them. What website did I allegedly copy from? I pasted the link to the actual bill itself. Please tell me all the "crap" that is attached to it.
http://www.house.gov/feeney/pdf/protectactfinal.pdf
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mitchmaxx
904 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 12:09:42 PM
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| I knew I liked Ron Paul for some reason... I actually took the test on the libertarian website, and damn if I didn't come up a lbertarian... |
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 12:23:05 PM
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| Ron paul is backed by Barry Goldwater Jr. thats got to be better than some robertson backing. |
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assassin17
3466 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:04:11 PM
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Originally posted by msancheznj
OK, so who are voting for? Any favorites right now? Anybody?
Gosh, why should we vote? After all, it is pre-ordained that Hilary Clinton is going to win. What would be the point of casting millions of meaningless votes for anyone else, just to show how many people really are on the other side of her issues and increase the clout of an opposing viewpoint?
Besides, isn't the 'Iron Chef' on Tuesday nights? |
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mbrownusa
784 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:07:46 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by msancheznj
OK, so who are voting for? Any favorites right now? Anybody?
Gosh, why should we vote? After all, it is pre-ordained that Hilary Clinton is going to win. What would be the point of casting millions of meaningless votes for anyone else, just to show how many people really are on the other side of her issues and increase the clout of an opposing viewpoint?
Besides, isn't the 'Iron Chef' on Tuesday nights?
Dunno, I watch House on Tuesdays. |
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dkendall1979
8822 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:09:21 PM
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| Does anybody actually know someone that will vote for Hillary Clinton? Why are so may people saying she's the dead lock winner of the next election? I don't know a single person that will vote for her. |
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mitchmaxx
904 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:11:45 PM
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| Walk through the streets of Manhattan, you will hear PLENTY of idiots.....I mean people that have been taken in by her beauty...LOL |
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BrokerCA
2353 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:18:59 PM
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Here is a Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record, he has been very consistent in his voting over 20 years:
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year. |
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:23:21 PM
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haha there is some guy at my work i heard taling about bringing our troops home and stoping our nation building and montioring of what other countries are doing and I said who are you voting for he said Clinton i was shocked.
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Originally posted by dkendall1979
Does anybody actually know someone that will vote for Hillary Clinton? Why are so may people saying she's the dead lock winner of the next election? I don't know a single person that will vote for her.
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Tsnyder
7921 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:35:14 PM
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Originally posted by dkendall1979
Does anybody actually know someone that will vote for Hillary Clinton? Why are so may people saying she's the dead lock winner of the next election? I don't know a single person that will vote for her.
Not only is Hillary not a dead lock to be the
next President I personally don't think she can
win.
I don't think the country is ready for a woman President.
If I'm wrong and the country is ready for a woman President
I don't think she is the woman they want.
Time will tell... but I really hope Hillary gets the nomination.
If I were a Democrat I'd be promoting the heck out of
Bill Richardson or Joe Biden... either would be a much
more formidable candidate in the general election.
Tsnyder
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Tsnyder
7921 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:38:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
quote:
Originally posted by msancheznj
OK, so who are voting for? Any favorites right now? Anybody?
Gosh, why should we vote? After all, it is pre-ordained that Hilary Clinton is going to win. What would be the point of casting millions of meaningless votes for anyone else, just to show how many people really are on the other side of her issues and increase the clout of an opposing viewpoint?
Besides, isn't the 'Iron Chef' on Tuesday nights?
I'm kinda thinking that the votes on a highly partisan
Congressional committee are easier to count in advance than
several million votes in a general election... same with
a vote of the full House on some issues... this would be
one of those issues.
Count me as one those watching House instead
of the Iron Chef... lol... the countdown is on to 24!
Tsnyder
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dkendall1979
8822 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:40:35 PM
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Am I insane for liking Obama?
I don't feel he will win, by a longshot, but I like him in general terms. He seems like a genuinely intelligent guy and someone that I could BS with. |
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BrokerCA
2353 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:43:37 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by assassin17
[ Recently, a UFO visited myself and has placed an offshore lien upon my money properties..."[/i]
Kucinich is the candidate that has admitted seeing a UFO. Here is the video of his statement.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307117,00.html# |
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Tsnyder
7921 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 2:45:14 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by dkendall1979
Am I insane for liking Obama?
I don't feel he will win, by a longshot, but I like him in general terms. He seems like a genuinely intelligent guy and someone that I could BS with.
A friend of mine is on Obama's local campaign committee.
He drug me out to see him at a recent appearance. We got
to sit and chat for awhile before the event started.
Obama is what he seems to be... genuinely intelligent and
very likeable. I just don't agree with him on very much
policy-wise.
Tsnyder
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 3:06:29 PM
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i like the fact obama has taught congresional law for the last 11 years i think he is a good guy I dont agree with him on the issue of us building schools in other countries and stuff but he wants to actually talk out our differneces rather than just start bombing
quote:
Originally posted by dkendall1979
Am I insane for liking Obama?
I don't feel he will win, by a longshot, but I like him in general terms. He seems like a genuinely intelligent guy and someone that I could BS with.
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Tsnyder
7921 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 3:38:00 PM
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That would be constitutional law...
Tsnyder
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Dana Point
2820 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 4:10:47 PM
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haha ill email obama i saw him on MTV telling all these kids he had taught congressional law.
quote:
Originally posted by Tsnyder
That would be constitutional law...
Tsnyder
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cpruitt
1608 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 4:12:43 PM
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Just because those things were attached to it doesn't mean that other unacceptable elements weren't attached. According to the Constitution, criminal law is not the purview of the Federal government. All those things can and in some cases have been handled by the states. Georgia has their own version of the Amber Alert and we never hear the term when a child is missing.
This stupid name calling in politics is ridiculous. People pick one issue which could and should have been handled on the state level just as well, when all the other candidates represent an entire system of politics that has caused much more harm to the country.
Ron Paul is a man with a well thought out set of principles backed by an incredible amount of real experience and scholarly research to guide what he votes for. He doesn't just make it up on the fly. He doesn't just make a policy decision based on his own experience, which is what most people do, and which is the worst and most illogical way to make such a decision. The man has 30 something grandchildren. It is silly to think that he voted against a law because he didn't want children protected.
Every Presidential candidate misses votes during an election cycle. Particularly when that candidate is opposed by powerful elements in his own party as well as the media. Those votes are between Ron Paul and his District. If they don't like it, they will vote him out. We were all whining about John Kerry missing votes when he was running. And he had the media on his side and millions more dollars. John Kerry didn't have to work nearly as hard as Ron Paul to get the word out about what his candidacy represents.
Here's a partial explanation of why the provisions of the Amber Alert law didn't belong in the federal government.
http://conservativeliberty.blogspot.com/2007/06/response-to-anti-ron-paul-types.html
Also, though, the bill contained a change in Federal Sentencing guidelines that was opposed by the Cato Institute as well. http://www.cato.org/new/04-03/04-08-03r.html
There is a link in there that explains why the federal sentencing guideline changes were bad.
Every bad effect cited in the list could have been handled at the state level where criminal law properly belongs. I'm not going to go into all the reasons for that here, but will be glad to refer you to a few dozen 300+ page books that explain it. It isn't a sound byte issue and that is why I think the average American has trouble wrapping their mind around it.
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Originally posted by broker949
Well I know one vote he showed up for. In 2003 he voted AGAINST the Amber Alert bill. That program has thus far saved the lives of over 200 children who otherwise would of been raped and/or murdered. Before you Ron Paul lovers say that he voted against it because there must of been other items attached to the bill you're right:
1) Made illegal visual illustrations of child ****ography.
2) Imposed mandatory sentences for adult sex offenders.
3) Allowed more communication equipment between police agencies to prevent child sexual abuse.
4) Removed ability for pretrial release for those that rape or kidnap children.
5) Made available transitional housing assistance grants for child victims of sexual assult.
6) Removed statute of limitations for child abduction and sex crimes.
7) Enacted "Adam's Law" that established a procedure for police after a child is reported missing in a public place such as a mall. Named after John Walsh's son.
8) Sentencing enhancements for those that engage in interstate travel for the purpose of having a sexual act with a child.
9) Made internet availability of information concerning registered sex offenders.
10) Increased penalities for landlords that knowingly allow their home or business to be used for drug purposes. Basically m |
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msancheznj
2133 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2007 : 4:27:26 PM
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| That's the problem with most of us, since it's a "good" bill to protect children, who would say "nay", right? |
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assassin17
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Posted - 11/26/2007 : 4:48:41 PM
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I'm just using the man's own logic against him (and this is only according to what's stated in this topic)... Ron doesn't feel that a worthless vote should ever be cast. Therefore, a vote for Ron is worthless, because he has already admitted that he doesn't think he can win. So, to be truly consistent in the man's values, nobody should waste a vote on Ron Paul either.
In which case, why do we keep getting these promo topic tidbits for him? I really don't care how wonderful he is. I think I'm wonderful too, but the main thing Ron and I have in common is that neither of us conservatives is going to be president of the USA.
'Horrible Hillary' is a complete lock to be our next president in a landslide, so none of this GOP stuff even matters. |
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Dana Point
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Posted - 11/26/2007 : 5:00:39 PM
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i think his vote here could be compared somewhat to the war in Iraq he said if we are going to invade iraq lets have congress declare war and win it. I think he said since WW2 we have not had a formal decleration of war and since then the wars never seem to end to conflicts persist.
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Originally posted by assassin17
I'm just using the man's own logic against him (and this is only according to what's stated in this topic)... Ron doesn't feel that a worthless vote should ever be cast. Therefore, a vote for Ron is worthless, because he has already admitted that he doesn't think he can win. So, to be truly consistent in the man's values, nobody should waste a vote on Ron Paul either.
In which case, why do we keep getting these promo topic tidbits for him? I really don't care how wonderful he is. I think I'm wonderful too, but the main thing Ron and I have in common is that neither of us conservatives is going to be president of the USA.
'Horrible Hillary' is a complete lock to be our next president in a landslide, so none of this GOP stuff even matters.
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